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Geoff Stults & Hart Hanson of "The Finder" on FOX 1/6/12
I didn't get to ask any questions during this call -
they ran short of time. However, Geoff Stults was kind enough to answer
my question via Twitter instead.
I asked: I was wondering if this is the most messed-up character you've
And he replied: "Hmm. The most fun for sure. Probably the most fucked
LOL! It was fun listening to this call. I've spoken with Hart Hanson
before, both on Twitter and on conference call. Both he and Geoff Stults
were funny and great to listen to.
FBC PUBLICITY: The Finder Conference Call with Geoff Stults & Hart
January 6, 2012/10:00 a.m. PST
Moderator Ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much for standing by.
Welcome to todayís The Finder conference call with Geoff Stults and Hart
Hanson. At this time all participants are in a listen-only mode. Soon we
will conduct a question and answer session with instructions given at
that time. As a reminder todayís conference is being recorded.
I would now like to turn the conference over our host today, Ms. Kim
Kurland. Please go ahead, maíam.
K. Kurland Hello, everyone, I just wanted to thank you for taking part
in this call today with Geoff and Hart. Weíre all very excited about the
premiere of The Finder next Thursday night at 9 oíclock. Hopefully you
all have had a chance to take a look at the episode that is available on
our Fox screening room site. If anybody has any follow-up questions
after the call, feel free to email me at email@example.com. And, Dave,
I think we can start with questions.
Moderator Thank you very much. For our first question we are going to go
to the line of Alice Chapman-Nugent with Times Courier. Go ahead,
A. Chapman-Nugent Hello, good talking to you guys.
H. Hanson Hello, Alice.
A. Chapman-Nugent Hello.
G. Stults Good morning.
A. Chapman-Nugent Well, itís afternoon where I am.
H. Hanson Where are you?
A. Chapman-Nugent Iím in Georgia.
H. Hanson Okay, thatís afternoon.
A. Chapman-Nugent Yes.
G. Stults I can hear it now, too.
A. Chapman-Nugent I guess my question would be for both of you, the
first one anyway. What is it about The Finder that you think will
G. Stults Iím going to tell you what I can. Itís fun. My favorite thing
about the character in the show when I first became aware that it was
the kind of show that didnít take itself seriously, at least the
character doesnít take himself seriously and it allows you, the viewer,
just to enjoy the ride. Itís just fun and entertaining and thatís I
think what our goal is. Weíre just trying to have a nice 43 minute
enjoyable show that people can tune in at any point and any part of the
series and any part of the episodes and enjoy themselves and understand
whatís going on. Hart?
H. Hanson At the beginning of this season, everyone is trying to figure
out the most economic way to make TV. And the head of production at 20th
Century Fox TV told all the line producers in order to prioritize what
made it to the screen that they should ask their show runner what was
first and foremost. And without a doubt I didnít even have to think
about it; it was entertainment; we just want to entertain an audience
for an hour once a week.
A. Chapman-Nugent Okay. And my final question is, Geoff, in your words
tell me a little bit about your characterís background and what do you
think is what makes him tick?
G. Stults Well, at the root of Walter, heís a former military policeman
who suffered a little brain trauma when he was serving in Iraq, so
thatís what allows us the entry point into the series and also into
Walter. We certainly think itís very important to hardenize it and in no
way are we trying to make light of PTSD and those people that actually
suffer from it because itís a very real disease and a very real problem
for our troops and other people for many other reasons. But it allows us
this really interesting dramatic license too, itís like the focal point
for all these different things that Walter does.
And his PTSD, it manifests itself into a little bit of a, he lacks
social grace. Heís a little paranoid. Heís not very trusting of people.
And he isnít the perfect dinner guest, but heís fun. If heís thinking in
terms of what he may say, he never intends to be insulting, but itís
just matter of fact to him. And those kind of behaviors will get you in
trouble, but theyíre also really fun to watch if we do it in a way that
weíve done it, that Hart has done it and the rest of the writers, which
is in a way that is light-hearted and entertaining and fun.
A. Chapman-Nugent Thank you, best to both of you.
G. Stults I appreciate it, thank you for having that adorable accent.
Moderator Thank you. Next weíll hear from the line of Vlada Gelman with
TV Line. Your line is open.
V. Gelman Hello, guys. How are you today?
H. Hanson Hello, good, how are you?
V. Gelman Iím good, how are you?
H. Hanson Oh, great, thanks.
V. Gelman So I know you have some Bones people coming over to the The
Finder, but Iím wondering if maybe weíll see some Finder people back on
Bones when it comes back from the hiatus.
H. Hanson Oh, man that would a high class idea for that to happen. Oh,
you mean during this season or next season?
V. Gelman Either one.
H. Hanson Definitely this season we havenít considered it yet. We just
donít know how The Finder is going to do, so it hasnít been in our
wheelhouse of things to think of, but thatís a good idea now that youíve
said it. Geoff, do you want to go be on the Bones show again?
G. Stults Hey, buddy, anything I can do to get to work with you. That
was a politically correct answer, ladies and gentlemen.
V. Gelman Well, the show also affords you a great opportunity to have a
lot of fun guest stars. Can you talk about some of the names weíll be
H. Hanson Yes, Bones we never had a chance to have really great guest
stars because the way itís structured is thereís a dead body and then we
try and figure out who killed that person and everybody is a suspect.
The Finder is a little different. A client comes through the door. Itís
a bit of a throw-back, so we have opportunities for guest stars then.
And then, Geoff, help me, weíve had John Fogerty is in the first
episode, the great singer/songwriter from Credence and Eric Roberts.
G. Stults 50 Cent.
H. Hanson Yes, we have opportunities to have all these great guest stars
come onto the show and weíve been really glad of whoís come to be on the
G. Stults Yes, itís been great. Gosh, it escapes me who is playing Ice
H. Hanson Oh, 50 Cent, no, not Ice Pick. Ice Pick is Michael Des Barres.
G. Stults Thatís right.
H. Hanson And then we had 50 Cent, Curtis Jackson came to play a hip hop
mogul. Who else have we had?
G. Stults Yes, now itís starting to escape me.
H. Hanson Thatís why everything drops out of my head immediately.
G. Stults Itís just like studying for finals.
H. Hanson Yes. Iím going to have this list in front of me from now on,
but weíve had some really good guest stars that weíve, Amy Aquino plays
Willaís probation officer.
G. Stults Thatís right.
H. Hanson Who played the serial killer, Geoff?
G. Stults Oh, Jodi Lyn OíKeefe.
H. Hanson Yes, Jodi Lyn OíKeefe.
G. Stults Jamie Murray, yes, thereís been some great guest stars.
H. Hanson Oh, good, yes, yes, there you go, Jamie Murray, just a lot of
fun with guest stars, oh, two of my favorites I think.
G. Stults Oh, yes, of course.
H. Hanson Greg Evigan and Mario Van Peebles are playing a version of the
well-known Miami cop duo from the Ď80s. Those are two very funny,
thereís a reason those guys are stars and that was a lot of fun. Have I
missed anyone, do you think, Geoff?
G. Stults Gosh, I think thatís pretty much it.
H. Hanson Yes.
V. Gelman That sounds fun, thanks, guys.
H. Hanson Thank you.
G. Stults Thank you, Vlada.
Moderator Thank you. Weíll hear next from the line of Amy Amatangelo
with the Boston Herald. Go ahead, please.
A. Amatangelo Hello, thanks so much for talking to us. I wanted to ask
Geoff a little bit of the back story about getting this part. Was it
just a straight audition or how did it come about for you?
G. Stults It turns out that Hart has had this long-time man crush on me
that none of us knew about. And itís just like the weirdest thing when I
finally went in the room, he threw himself at me, and it was awkward, so
I felt bad and I was like all right, Iíll do this.
The way it really happened wasó
H. Hanson I like that version. I think we should go with that.
G. Stults It was a great version. I had met with Hart. The long story
short is that I was a little apprehensive after coming off of a couple
of dramas that itís just an interesting lifestyle. Itís definitely, you
live there when youíre the lead of the show. And I made a decision that
I was only going to do a half hour. So when this got sent my way, I
didnít read it and it got sent my way again and the casting director had
been a fan of mine and had been helpful to me in my career and asked me
to read it as a favor to him. He just said, ďIf you like this at all,
just do me the favor and sit down with Hart Hanson.Ē I was like. ďWho
the F is Hart Hanson?Ē
So I read it and I was like, ah, man, I like this. All right Iíll at
least meet with him. I purposely grew out a beard. I didnít shave. I
tried to look as rough as I could because my goal was to walk in there
and have Hart be like ďthis isnít the guy.Ē And everything I did
backfired on me.
I need to probably take that technique into more of my career, just like
that episode in Seinfeld when George Castanza realizes that every
decision he makes is wrong, so he has to start going with the exact
opposite of his gut reactions, so thatís kind of what happened. And the
next thing you know weíre doing a show together.
A. Amatangelo Thatís great, thank you. My other question was youíve
acted with your brother before and I know you guys are close. Any chance
weíll see your brother on this show or any chance you guys will be on
screen together any time soon?
G. Stults You crystal ball reader, itís possible.
H. Hanson A very, very, very good chance.
A. Amatangelo Oh, weíll find out Ö brother.
G. Stults Thatís right. Thatís always been very fun and Iím very lucky
to have a brother who happens to be actor and who, as a codependent
adult, we sometimes live together. So, yes, we get along and to work
together would be, again, would be a blast.
A. Amatangelo Great, thank you both so much.
H. Hanson Thank you.
G. Stults Thank you.
Moderator Thank you, weíll hear next from Soo Youn with The Daily. Go
S. Youn Hello, I was wondering what happened, what you guys did with the
Saffron Burrows character and how you phased her out after the pilot.
H. Hanson Well, we really didnít. If it was a normal pilot, if weíd done
the show as a normal pilot, then what we would have done is looked at it
and decided what changes we were going to make and do a bunch of
re-shoots; and the world would never have known or it would have been a
byline that weíve made casting changes. Youíve seen that many times. In
our case everything we did was out in public and we had no time because
our, Iím hooking my fingersÖ, ďpilot,Ē was a special episode of Bones.
So there was just no chance of that happening, and the decisions were
made after the pilot aired, the spin-off crossover pilot aired.
So poor Saffron was in the unenviable position of everyone seeing her
and then now weíre going to wonder where she was and itís a good
question. The reasons decisions are made are spread over a studio and
network, lots of arguing and lots of fighting that Iím not really too
interested in getting into.
But in the end the decision was made to go in a different direction to
expand the show with two characters instead of the one character, Ike,
and we made the change. We never explained the change in our series. We
never say what ever happened to that woman who used to be here. We just
move on, so itís just one of the costs of doing the show the way we did
it. Did that answer your question?
S. Youn I think so. And also just because it was in the news yesterday,
I was wondering 50 Cent had been Tweeting a lot about foreseeing his
death. I was just wondering how he was when you guys shot with him.
H. Hanson Oh my goodness.
G. Stults 50 Cent has been Tweeting about foreseeing his death?
S. Youn Heís saying I feel like Iím going to die soon and it was
accompanied about a lot of stuff about him being disenchanted with his
label and thatís why heís working on his new drink to have a legacy.
H. Hanson Oh, I missed all that. I can tell you that when he was on our
show, and Geoff can tell you more, he was delightful, upbeat,
delightful, very serious about acting. Geoff?
G. Stults Oh, God, of all the people that Iíve worked with, he wasóI was
the most apprehensive just because you donít know, again, you expect an
entourage and heís got, well, let me tell you the mogul, it cost him
money to do our show.
H. Hanson Yes, it cost him money to come to work on our show.
G. Stults Yes, and he literally was fantastic. He was maybe my favorite.
He never left the set. He was there. He made his lines. He was a
pleasure to work with. He was entertaining. Heís one of the most
charismatic men Iíve ever met in my life, people, thereís a reason he is
as successful as he is. So I also think that heís smarter than
everybody, so if heís Tweeting about foreshadowing his death, then he is
a marketing genius, and you fell for it.
S. Youn I did, I did, we all did.
H. Hanson That episode was directed by David Boreanaz.
G. Stults Oh, thatís right.
H. Hanson I spent New Years with David and he had an absolutely
wonderful time with the guy and one thing that David is really good at
is mimicking people. Itís a sign of fondness with him, so I hope Geoff
is right. I hope Geoff is right and heís a marketing genius.
S. Youn That he is.
G. Stults Have I ever been wrong? Never.
S. Youn Great, thanks a lot.
Moderator Thank you, next weíll hear from the line of Jennifer Gillis
with the Voice of TV. Go ahead, please.
J. Gillis Hello, guys, how are you doing today?
H. Hanson Hello, good morning. Geoff, this is where I usually I say,
ďThere it is, the voice of TV.Ē
J. Gillis Weíre here in Boston alive and well.
G. Stults Holy ..., thatís what it sounds like? This is amazing.
H. Hanson Thatís what it sounds like.
J. Gillis Itís what Boston sounds like, yes, a quick question for you
guys. Itís clear through casting and promotion that Fox is relying on
the Bones audience to tune in. How does The Finder stand on its own?
H. Hanson I think itís important to make a distinction between the
creative and the marketing. And I know, believe me I know, that they are
counting on the Bones audience beingóitís a measured decision to go
after the Bones audience to try and get them to come over. Thereís a big
experiment in this way of making a pilot.
Creatively this show stands on its own in my opinion. It lives in the
same universe as Bones, meaning that itís a heightened reality. I hope
largely humorous for people, weíll make you cry; weíll make you think a
little bit of philosophy, a little bit of laughs. Unlike Bones we wonít
try and make you throw up, but it lives totally on its own, but youíre
dead right. We are all trying to get the loyal kind of audience that
Bones has, a nice chunk of people who followed Bones from time slot to
time slot. If we can get a part of that audience on The Finder, then it
G. Stults I can tell you from my perspective as just a cast member of
The Finder, I guess Iíll also say that of Bones and our own little
spin-off way, weíre aware of that. Weíre aware that weíll be mixing,
hopefully, obviously weíre going to be counting on some people coming
over. We realize that there are some die-hard Bones fans. We realize
that thereíll be criticism because we are not the same thing. Like Hart
said, we were born in the same world.
I guess we come from the same world, but the way that I look at it is,
and I actually called Bones the varsity team and The Finder is the JV
team. Weíre born from Bones. We exist, The Finder and the 200 crew
members of The Finder, exist because of the success of Bones and David
and Emily and the rest of the cast, John Francis Daley and T. J. were
both on our show. But even before that T.J. and Michaela they were all
part of the spin-off, so we really exist because of them and weíre
grateful to that and we understand that without Bones, The Finder
doesnít exist, but yet we are different.
Itís a little quirkier I would say. The actors on Bones are smarter than
the actors on The Finder. We couldnít even say the words that the actors
on Bones do, so we have to have a lot more action to fill in for the
lack of intelligence .... So thereís one difference there and it only
J. Gillis The Bones vocabulary helps my job, too. I sound smarter, too.
G. Stults Oh, yes, itís unbelievable. I have to have a thesaurus with
J. Gillis One other question, whose brilliant idea was it to cast
Michael Clarke Duncan because I think I love him?
H. Hanson Michael Clarke Duncan was, the original character of Leo Knox
was Sam Sheppard, an elderly, skinny white cowboy. I believe that the
person who first said to me ďis there a role for Michael Clarke Duncan
on the show?Ē was the head of casting, Sharon Klein, at the studio. I
believe thatís where it came from. Whoever it was, I donít think she got
through Clarke before I said, ďYes, thereís a role for himĒ and I just
totally rewrote Leo.
If you have a chance to get someone like Michael Clarke Duncan, you
donít stop and say ďdoes that really match the character?Ē You write a
character to match him. He has his aura and charisma and his whole being
that you want to go running at, so thatís what we did. So you can thank
J. Gillis Thank you, studio.
H. Hanson They donít hear that a lot.
J. Gillis Thank you, guys, have a great day.
H. Hanson Thank you.
G. Stults You, too, thank you.
Moderator Thank you, next weíll hear from the line of Sean Plummer with
MSN Canada. Go ahead, please.
S. Plummer Hello, hello. Hey, youíre from Canada.
H. Hanson I am from Canada.
S. Plummer Hart, actually can you describe the origins of this series
creatively and why did you cast Geoff?
G. Stults Itís a great question.
H. Hanson I have an overall deal with 20th Century Fox TV. I owe them a
pilot each year. I was actually thinking this year of trying to weasel
out of it; Iím busy on Bones and everything. One of the executives at
20th Century Fox, Lisa Katz, brought me a novel called The Locator by
Richard Greener and they sucked me in. First she said, ďDo you think
this would make a good series? How do you think it would make a good
series? Why donít you just write the pilot? How about you just produce
the pilot? How about you just get the series up and running?Ē I thought
it was a very, very clean way into a network series that a guy who can
find anything. Everyone is always looking for a way to do a PI series
and no one wants to do a PI series, and I just jumped at the chance to
Casting Geoff was in a way very much like casting Michael Clarke Duncan.
I had a darker, quieter more internal character in mind when I first
wrote the piece, just someone not as voluble, not someone who was as
accessible. Geoff came in for his meeting and I donít know if youíve
seen Geoff Stults in person, but heís very tall and ridiculously good
looking. And he came through the dooró
G. Stults Go on, go on.
H. Hanson He came in to meet with us. He wasnít going to read. He was
going to meet with us and he had his beard. He looked like Mountain Man.
And the first thing I thought was, oh, man, I already cast Leo. This guy
would have been perfect. About 30 seconds inóthis just sounds like Iím
kissing Geoffís butt, you know when youíre with a leading man. Iím an
old fart in this business and there are actors and there are leading men
and there are leading men who are actors. If you get that number three,
you know what, you jump at number two. You get a leading man who canít
act, you jump at that guy. You get a leading man who can act and youíd
do anything to get them.
And then the third element was that Geoff, heís a very good looking guy,
he could just get along on that. Heís self-deprecating. Heís funny and
heís goofy when he wants to be. And all of a sudden I started right in
that meeting five minutes in I think I grabbed Dan Sackheim, our
directing producer on the show, was sitting next to me. I think I
grabbed his knee and started squeezing because weíd been casting for a
long time and itís a very difficult process. And I just thought this guy
is a TV star. He will be funny. I honestly thought he was a mix between
Tom Selleck and Timothy Olyphant and what TV guy would not run at him.
So Geoff is right, hearts came out of my eyes and I really wanted him to
come and be Walter. And if The Finder doesnít work and Geoff is out of
work, I heartily recommend that someone else immediately make him a
star. Heís a big TV star.
S. Plummer Nice. And Iíll finish off, Geoff; I know you worked with
Michael Clarke Duncan before in D.E.B.S. Can you describe briefly the
chemistry between you guys?
G. Stults You mean my twin brother? Iíve known Mike for a long time. We
did D.E.B.S. together. He was coming off of a giant thing and I was at
that point D.E.B.S. was my biggest job yet. I had no idea what was going
on. I didnít even know of really like where to stand or what a DP, I
didnít know what a grip was. I didnít know what a DP was. I just knew
that there were four hot girls in that movie and I wanted to do it.
So Mike showed me the ropes a little bit. All we did the whole time was
laugh like junior high kids; we got separated by the director. We got
yelled at for not being able to stop laughing. And once I figured out
that I could get him laughing, because he is a Ö, he is a giant kid. He
has a giant sense of humor and he likes to laugh. Heís a goof ball and
itís the easiest thing in the world to just get him going. And he likes
to tease people and I mess with him like he is my big brother. I like to
annoy him. Itís like we grew up together and he gets mad and he laughs,
so we have a lot of fun.
In a network drama, the days get long and you have to be able to get
along with people you work with. And for me, itís just very important
for me to laugh and have fun and I want it to be an enjoyable experience
from the lowliest day Ö crew member on up to our senior Hart Hanson, and
we all have fun and I try to set that tone and heís right there with me.
S. Plummer Great, thank you very much.
Moderator Thank you, next weíll hear from the line of Sheldon Wiebe with
EclipseMagazine.com. Go ahead, please.
S. Wiebe Hello, guys, thanks for doing this. Iím one of the people who
thoroughly enjoyed the backdoor pilot on Bones and was a bit sad when I
heard that Saffron Burrows wasnít being carried over to the series. I
liked the characters that you have in her place, the Deputy U.S. Marshal
and the probationary juvenile delinquent. I think they have a lot of
potential. But it seems like they donít quite have the same zing, and
Iím thinking that theyíre going to be developed a little bit differently
than anything weíve probably seen before. Iím wondering, this is kind of
a nit pick, but how is a probationary juvenile delinquent working in a
bar? Wouldnít that be kind of a no-no?
H. Hanson It comes up quite often in the series, youíll be glad to know,
is like what she is and is not allowed to do in a drinking establishment
that serves food.
S. Wiebe That was actually what I was going to ask.
H. Hanson Yes, she canít serve drinks, but she can serve food and she
canít go behind the bar and we actually make a huge deal of the fact
that she canít go behind the bar for two reasons. This is boring
already. Iím being boring, but two reasons. One is legally she canít be
back where the alcohol is poured and the other is Leo doesnít want her
anywhere near the cash register. And her probation officer is quite
vigilant about making sure that sheóher probation officer would love to
see her back in juvie and so poor Willa has toówell, poor Willa, she
lies a lot, she deserves what she gets, but she has to watch her Ps and
Qs very carefully, so we are trying very hard to be within the realm.
I worked on Judging Amy, so that would be a whole arc in the story,
Judging Amy. Iím not sure itís as interesting to the audience of The
S. Wiebe Oh, cool, that was exactly what I was getting at. Also
something that really struck me and that I really liked is the way that
Walter makes no bones about the fact that if youíre going to look for
something that may lead to learning stuff that the client would rather
not have ever known and we get to see how that happens in the premiere
in a very dramatic way. Which leads me to ask how do you balance, like
this is a fun show in the tradition of itís not exactly like Bones. How
do you find the right mix of light and dark to make the show fun, but at
the same time keep the stakes seeming real?
H. Hanson You just put your thumb on the gaping open wound of our
everyday existence on The Finder. Itís a juggling. Itís a tough go and
we have tons of debate about almost every scene at every level. Is this
working? If you raise the stakes too much, does it make this scene not
funny anymore? How much lightheartedness can you get away with before
the story becomes too light to sustain over 43 minutes? All I can tell
you is itís what we wrestle with on The Finder.
We always had the equivalent on Bones, too. For example, we found out in
the first season of Bones, that if the remains were of a child, you
werenít going to have a very funny episode and in The Finder there are
And youíll tell us at the end of 13 episodes if we were successful in
juggling a sentimental and melancholy or dramatic scenes with the
lightheartedness of our characters trying to find things. But if we do
this right, and I hope we are in every episode, people find things they
donít want to find, and thatís the world Walter lives in. And thatís why
heís a bit callous about it. People think they want something, but they
donít. They want something else and heís always blundering into that.
Heís very literal.
K. Kurland Unfortunately we only have time for one more question.
Moderator Thank you and that will come from the line of Stephanie
Holland with Inscaped. Go ahead, please.
S. Holland Hello, thanks for talking to us this morning.
H. Hanson Hi, Stephanie.
S. Holland Iím wondering one of thing fans love so much about Bones is
the creative way that you always have people end up dead. And Iím
wondering if that creativity has carried over to The Finder in some of
the cases that you guys are working on.
H. Hanson Well, I hope so. An ongoing discussion with the network has
often been ďwhat starts the case?Ē Iím a big fan of having a guy come
into the bar carrying Cinderellaís shoe and saying, ďI have to find
Cinderella,Ē and it leading somewhere else.
Another of our stories starts with a magician coming in and saying,
ďIíve lost my lovely assistant. My lovely assistant actually disappeared
during my trick. You have to find my lovely assistant,Ē and it taking a
fast left turn into some other world. I think thatís the equivalent, if
there is such a thing, between The Finder and Bones.
G. Stults Thatís a whole new show itself. I like that.
H. Hanson I hope so is the answer, I hope we do.
S. Wiebe Okay, great thank you.
G. Stults Thank you.
K. Kurland Dave, I think we can wrap it up there.
Moderator Okay, thank you, any closing comments, gentlemen?
G. Stults Hart, youíre doing a great job, close. I would just want to
say on behalf of Finder and Bones, that we appreciate you guys writing
about it and weíre excited for six days from now, I guess, to the
premiere that will change television as we know it.
H. Hanson Thatís a very good statement. Thanks for being interested,
G. Stults Yes, thanks a lot.
Moderator Thank you very much. And ladies and gentlemen, that concludes
our conference for today. We appreciate your participation and your
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