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Interview with Jack Kenny and Brent Spiner of "Warehouse 13" on
I'm still very upset that I missed this conference call... not only
do I love "Warehouse 13" and of course Brent Spiner, but Spiner is
hilarious to follow on Twitter!!
Moderator: Gary Morgenstein
July 25, 2012
12:00 pm CT
Operator: Ladies and Gentlemen thank you for standing by. Welcome to the
NBC Universal Syfy Warehouse 13 conference call. During the
presentation, all participants will be in a listen only mode. Shortly
we'll begin a question and answer session, if at that time you have a
question please press the 1 followed by the 4 on your telephone. If at
any time during the conference you need to reach an operator please
press star 0.
As a reminder this conference is being recorded Wednesday, July the
25th, 2012. I would now like to turn the conference over to Gary
Morgenstein, please go ahead Sir.
Gary Morgenstein: Welcome everyone, Warehouse 13 returned Monday night
for Season 4 in grand style. In adults 25 to 54 we were up 17% and
adults 18 to 49 up 23% versus the Season 3 cliffhanger, so thank you all
for helping it such a successful return.
Now to talk about the season going forward I'm delighted to introduce
Executive Producer Jack Kenny and Brent Spiner who plays Brother Adrian,
the mysterious enigmatic Brother Spiner.
Jack Kenny: You sounded decidedly more excited when you said, "Brent
Spiner." I'm just saying.
Brent Spiner: He really did. Well with good reason Jack.
Gary Morgenstein: (Eric) you can put forward the first call please.
Operator: All right, well first Ladies and Gentlemen if you would like
to register a question please press the 1 followed by the 4 on your
telephone. You'll hear a three tone prompt acknowledging the request.
Also if you're using a speakerphone please lift your handset before
entering your request.
Our first question comes from the line of Kyle Nolan from noreruns.net,
please go ahead.
Kyle Nolan: Hi guys, thanks for taking the time to talk us.
Brent Spiner: Hi.
Jack Kenny: Pleasure.
Kyle Nolan: So Brent could you talk about what it was like for uniting
on screen with Saul and apparently swapping the good guy/bad guy roles
that you guy had in the Next Generation?
Brent Spiner: Well there was nothing apparent about, you're going to
have to wait and see what that's all about really. But it was like
swimming in a rainbow to work with Saul again. Don't you love that Jack?
Jack Kenny: I do, I do. I feel that every day.
Brent Spiner: Yes, don't you. No actually Saul is an amazing actor, he's
an amazing talent, and it was just fantastic to be back on stage with
him. We have a history that goes beyond even Star Trek, we did a play
together in 1978 at the New York Shakespeare Festival. So Saul and I
Jack Kenny: You were each ten years old.
Brent Spiner: ...quite a history of working - yes we were ten. Well I
think Saul was 11, because he is older than me.
Jack Kenny: You would say that.
Jack Kenny: And it's fun watching them work because after a while it
became a war of pauses. They would each say their line with so much
intensity that the next one had to beat it, and you say.
Kyle Nolan: No, Brother Adrian seems a bit dark and serious. Are we
still going to get some of that Brent humor mixed in to the role?
Brent Spiner: Well I don't know, Jack do we?
Jack Kenny: Yes, I think that it's interesting, you get a different
version of Brent Spiner humor. Because he spends the entire season
basically torturing and toying with Saul. So it's an evil humor that
comes through I think in a lot of ways.
Brent Spiner: It's the real Brent. Exactly, it's the real Brent Spiner
Jack Kenny: Yes.
Brent Spiner: It's the evil Brent Spiner humor.
Kyle Nolan: Well great guys, I can't wait to see what happens next as it
creates from here.
Jack Kenny: It's a really fun ride I'll tell you, their relationship is
not like anything you're going to expect.
Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Erin Willard from
scifimafia.com, please go ahead.
Erin Willard: Good morning Gentlemen, thanks so much for being on the
call. I'm a big fan of both of you all.
Brent Spiner: Thank you.
Erin Willard: Glad I started watching your miniseries Fresh Hell today
and I just totally love it, I mean I'm enjoying the call but I'm looking
forward to it being over so I can watch the rest of it because I'm
really, really enjoying it.
Brent Spiner: Thank you so much.
Jack Kenny: Thanks I really appreciate it.
Brent Spiner: Can I ask you a question.
Erin Willard: Yes.
Brent Spiner: SciFi Mafia, do you guys beat people up and stuff like
that? Do you beat up nerds and...
Erin Willard: Only they - you know when they don't - when they cancel
Brent Spiner: Yes.
Erin Willard: And then we'll watch the best shows that we want, of
course, you know or if they don't agree with our opinions, then we
absolutely have to.
Brent Spiner: Right. I might be able to use your services. I might need
Erin Willard: Great, excellent.
Brent Spiner: Yes go ahead, I'm sorry.
Erin Willard: Perfect, yes please do let us know. I was hoping that you
could tell us Jack, how the story line came about, and Brent, how you
came to the role.
Jack Kenny: The story line about Brother Adrian, well we always like to
have a big bad in each season, and we kind of like to play with what
that big bad is and what's underneath. Even with someone like MacPherson
or Sykes, it's never black and white, "He's just an evil guy," there's
always a reasonable thing going on underneath, there's a reasonable
Itís a grey area. Everybody has their reasons for doing what they're
doing, and Brother Adrian has his reasons for going after Artie as
you'll see in the next episode. It was really about giving Artie an arc
for the season, and about giving a nemesis.
I went to Saul because I knew he'd being every scene with Brother Adrian
all year. And I said, "So you're friends with Brent, right?" And he
said, "Yes." I said, "What would you think about for Brother Adrian?"
And Saul was ecstatic. He said, "Oh my god, that would be my dream come
Brent Spiner: And his dream did come true. And here I am. And to answer
your question, from my point, Jack and Saul called me and said, "Let's
have lunch," and I did. And they said, "Would you be interested in doing
this?" And ultimately I said, "Yes, I would be very interested in doing
this." So I jumped on board and had a really amazing time in Toronto.
Jack Kenny: I remember that lunch, I remember us at the commissary at
NBC Universal and my meeting you for the first time, and of course I had
to pile him with accolades because he's just like that.
I knew it had to be. I saw Brent do 1776 on Broadway, and in a weird way
he's more present in my mind as John Adams than Commander Data. And so
it was a different approach from my point of view to having Brent play
the part, because I knew everybody else knows him as a robot and I know
him as the founder of our country.
So we approached that from a different viewpoint, and Brother Adrian is
human, at least in certain ways, in certain ways maybe not. But he's a
very powerful character too, and that's the other thing that Brent
brings to the table is a sense of power without having to twirl a
mustache or flex a muscle he just has a presence.
And that was what was so important for Brother Adrian is that there has
to be almost a serene powerful presence that you understand when you see
this guy, do what he says or you will be unhappy. And that's very
important for the relationship that we build throughout the season
between Artie and Adrian.
Erin Willard: Perfect. Brent what did you enjoy most about the role?
Brent Spiner: You know honestly what I enjoyed most is working with this
company, it was just a great bunch of people from the top down, and the
top being Jack. See you kiss me, I kiss you.
But seriously, and it was the opportunity to work with Saul again. And
the experience, I went back and forth to Toronto six times from Los
Angeles, and each time I looked forward to going because I knew I was
going to have a pleasant experience.
Erin Willard: Great, thank you so much.
Brent Spiner: You're welcome.
Jack Kenny: Thanks. Don't put out any hits on us.
Brent Spiner: No please.
Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Jamie Ruby with SciFi
Vision, please go ahead.
Jamie Ruby: Hi guys, thank you so much for doing the call today.
Brent Spiner: Hi Jamie.
Jack Kenny: Hi, how you doing.
Jamie Ruby: Hi, good. So Brent what did you find most challenge acting
wise, was there anything?
Brent Spiner: You mean in general acting wise or acting on this show?
Jamie Ruby: Yes just in general for on this show, on - for on Warehouse
Brent Spiner: Well it really is sort of general because you never know
if you're going to be able to land to the part. Acting is ephemeral, you
never know whether you're going to be able to stick the landing. And so
the talent is to always just to be as good as the material. And this
case the material was good, so you know that was my task.
Jack Kenny: Brent, I know we have you in this cassock for the whole time
and it's not something that most people are used to wearing and you had
to do a lot in it.
I think it looks great, very glad we went that direction, but I know at
first it was a concern in terms of how much you were going to be able to
do in it. Did you feel like that got in your way at all?
Brent Spiner: You know what, it really didn't. And you're right, I did
initially think, "Oh my gosh is this going to be inhibiting in some
way?" And it really isn't, it kind of informed a lot of things and in
the right way. And sometimes the externals will do that. Sometime I'm
Jack Kenny: Yes, it gave you a real (unintelligible) stillness.
Brent Spiner: Yes, exactly. And I am wearing it right now actually.
Jack Kenny: And nothing else.
Brent Spiner: Exactly, and nothing else, as I was on the set.
Jack Kenny: Which is why those scenes have that subtext going on.
In the close ups Saul is not wearing any pants.
Brent Spiner: Exactly, so we were only shot from the waist up thank god.
Jamie Ruby: All right, and who...
Brent Spiner: This is Syfy's vision right?
Jack Kenny: Yes, X-Ray vision.
Brent Spiner: Just trying to give you some vision.
Jamie Ruby: Okay. Sorry I did want to ask though, is there like a
favorite scene that - for both of you, that you can talk about without
spoiling things that maybe you're looking forward to - for fans to see?
Brent Spiner: Almost anything we could say at this point beyond what
you've seen will spoil something.
Jack Kenny: I can say there's a scene in Episode 9 that is one of my
favorites. And I also like the scene coming up in this week's episode.
Because as you know, Artie turned back time 24 hours so everything is
back to the way it was,
...so we know that Brother Adrian is going to be seen again. I love the
first return. I love the first time we see Brother Adrian again, I think
it's so interesting the dynamics that go on are so interesting and
unique between them, I love that.
Brent Spiner: The most complicated thing about playing Brother Adrian
for me was figuring out who he was. I never quite knew who he was until
the episode after the one we were shooting would come out.
When we were working on Episode 2, or my Episode 2, I sort of had an
idea about how to play him until Episode 3 arrived. And I read that and
I thought, "Oh my gosh, no, no, no, I was all wrong, let me go back."
Itís a very tricky and complicated role.
Jamie Ruby: Okay great, well thank the both of you very much.
Brent Spiner: Welcome.
Jack Kenny: Thank you Jamie.
Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Jamie Steinberg with
Starry Constellation Magazine, please go ahead.
Jamie Steinberg: Hi, such a please to speak with you.
Brent Spiner: Thank you.
Jack Kenny: Hi.
Jamie Steinberg: I was wondering like, how does this role differ from
the others you've played in the past?
Brent Spiner: Well it was the first monk I've ever played. I've never
played a man of the cloth that I can remember. Every role is different
from the one you've played before hopefully. This is nothing like
playing an android for example.
Jamie Steinberg: And how has interacting with your fans on Twitter,
Brent, helped you promote your role on Warehouse and get more attention
to the show?
Brent Spiner: Well fortunate or unfortunate depending on your point of
view, to have over a million followers on Twitter. So when I say, "Watch
me "or," Watch Warehouse 13 Monday night," it goes out to over a million
people, and that's kind of a big number compared to sayÖ
Jack Kenny: Your Facebook page.
Brent Spiner: Exactly, even my Facebook page, which is much smaller.
Jack Kenny: I think actually it contributed to our having such great
Brent Spiner: Do you think so?
Jack Kenny: Yes, I don't see how it could not, because it's just a great
promotional tool. I think if that's how you want to use your one command
to over a million people I suppose that's up to you.
Brent Spiner: Yes.
Jack Kenny: I would have said, "Everybody bring me $10." But...
Brent Spiner: Exactly. Well I tried that one already. I got about $1.50
in the mail.
Jack Kenny: Bummer, well to me that was one of the best upsides of
Twitter, the notion that people can so quickly find the people that they
want to find, that you follow Brent Spiner, he announces something. You
go, "Oh, I love Brent Spiner, I'll watch that."
And it feels personal, and it's fast and it's right in your hand rather
than, having to look for other promotional devices.
Brent Spiner: Yes, absolutely. Well it's real interesting phenomenon,
Twitter, because there are big upsides and then there are downsides. But
it depends on how you use it think. And there are a myriad of uses,
obviously people who are in public professions use it as a tool to
promote what they're doing, to let people know. And it's very valuable
in that way.
Jack Kenny: I on the other hand got completely burned by casually
announcing two years ago I think, that we were probably going to get a
Season 3, and of course that turned into, "Syfy picks up Warehouse 13
for Season 3."
Brent Spiner: Right, exactly.
Jack Kenny: And I got my head cut off, handed to me, and I got my
favorite expression for that year that I'd heard, "We need you to Tweet
Jamie Steinberg: Well Brent what do you think it is about Warehouse 13
that really has captured so many viewers?
Brent Spiner: Well I think Jack said it, it's me. No I'm kidding, it's
not. I think...
Jack Kenny: You say something and that's how it's interpreted.
Brent Spiner: Exactly. Brent Spiner changes Warehouse 13 forever.
Jack Kenny: I think one of the reason we attract a broad audience is
that we do action-adventure-comedy. I call it a thrilleromedy, because
it's got drama, comedy, runs and chases and it's just a fun ride. And I
think people like fun rides. It's why the Back to the Future, Star Wars,
Indiana Jones franchises have all done so well, because they're just fun
And in addition to that, I think we all create characters that care
about each other and so that you care about them. It's a family - at the
end of the day -- I've said this many times -- Warehouse 13 is a family
show. Almost every relationship in it familial.
Even the Brother Adrian-Artie relationship is very, very much like two
brothers, which is one of the great advantages of having Brent play it,
because Saul and Brent act very much like two brothers. And they have
that inherent chemistry going on, so you turn a camera on them and it
just comes through. And it leads very well into the familial nature of
Brent Spiner: ...I think - it's just a darn good show period. Jack
writes a really wonderful show and it's entertaining and it's smart. And
that's a real change of pace.
Jack Kenny: Thank you Brent.
Jamie Steinberg: Thank you so much.
Brent Spiner: You're welcome.
Jack Kenny: Thank you.
Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Robin Brooks with
fangirlconfessions.com, please go ahead.
Jack Kenny: Hi Robin. I don't know Brent what kind of Fan Girl
confession do you have?
Brent Spiner: I don't know, but I'd like Robin to be the first to
confess right now. Tell us something you've never told anyone.
Robin Brooks: (Unintelligible) more Data, that's it.
Brent Spiner: I'm going to marry Data, well that (unintelligible).
Robin Brooks: Not to you, Data, the actual character. I thought Data was
Brent Spiner: Well I'm glad you can distinguish between the character
and me, some people can't.
Robin Brooks: Actually I wanted to talk a little bit about some of the
artifacts, since they're a pretty interesting part of the show as well.
I guess my first question is for Jack. What is the weirdest item that
you thought of, but have not used on the show?
Jack Kenny: The weirdest thing I've thought of but not used on the show,
you mean something I use in my personal life?
Robin Brooks: Acting or personal.
Jack Kenny: Yes, there's always something interesting there. We don't
usually approach from an artifact first, we usually approach it from a
story line, an emotional story line, what's going on with somebody that
they would use something. And then we back up into what they use and
what the problems of that is.
We knew we wanted to turn back time 24 hours and the first thing that
occurred to me was the 24 hour date line and how that sort of a magical
thing that suddenly you jump 24 hours when you cross the International
Data Line kind of thing that time in a weird way changes. And then my
first thought was we'd use Magellan's sextant, and then did more
research and found out, "Well they didn't have sextants then, they used
astrolabes." So we had to get into that.
I find the research into all these things incredibly exciting and
unique. And another artifact, which I think a dicey one to use, but
which I think would be interesting is Hitler's microphone.
Brent Spiner: Yes.
Jack Kenny: A microphone that was just imbued with all the hatred of
that man and hey, it falls into the hands of a radio shock jock.
Brent Spiner: Wow, I like that. Can I play that too do you think?
Robin Brooks: I like that.
Jack Kenny: Sure, we'll put a wig on you.
Brent Spiner: Good.
Robin Brooks: Brent if you could invent your own artifact what would it
Brent Spiner: If I could invent my own artifact, gee that's tough. Can
you give me like an hour?
Jack Kenny: I think you could use something that signs your signature
many, many times.
Robin Brooks: Yes.
Brent Spiner: That would be excellent. Actually we talked about how fun
it would have been, had we not already done this, to have used Data as
Jack Kenny: Yes, that would be cool. Who knows, maybe that's how we
bring you back.
Brent Spiner: There we go. All right.
Robin Brooks: Thank you.
Brent Spiner: Thank you. That was Fan Girl Confidential, or something.
Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Tim Holland with Tv
Overmind, please go ahead.
Tim Holland: Hello, it's very nice to get to speak with you both today.
Brent Spiner: Hi, thank you.
Jack Kenny: Thanks for your review.
Tim Holland: You're welcome. And I've been a big fan of yours Brent, for
a long time.
Brent Spiner: Thanks Tim.
Tim Holland: Seriously. Well jumping to that then, and I guess you would
have mentioned this by now as something memorable, but I'm fan and proud
owner of Ol' Yellow Eyes Is Back, and (unintelligible).
Brent Spiner: Excellent.
Tim Holland: Is there any chance that Brother Adrian might burst into
song throughout your arc on Warehouse 13 and just connected to that will
have any music coming?
Brent Spiner: I think that's a great idea Tim. Jack what do you think,
maybe a big musical number when we bring Brother Adrian back.
Jack Kenny: Sure, we can - maybe we'll even shoot something and insert
it into an episode. Saul sings too doesn't he?
Brent Spiner: Yes, of course.
Jack Kenny: I'd love to see the two of you in a soft shoe and
Brent Spiner: You know what, that would be kind of fun really.
Jack Kenny: It would be great.
Brent Spiner: It's a great idea Tim, and if it happens we will not be
giving you credit for it.
Tim Holland: No, I wouldn't expect it. Will you be doing any more music
in the future, releasing more albums?
Brent Spiner: Well you heard my album Dreamland?
Tim Holland: No I have not.
Brent Spiner: (Tim) it's so much better than Ol' Yellow Eyes Is Back.
It's on my Web site or it's on Amazon, either place. But
therealbrentstiner.com or Amazon. It's called Dreamland, it's really
good. I say that and I hardly ever say that about anything, but - and
it's not particularly good because of me, but it's a really interesting
production and I sing with this woman who's a genius who's name is Maude
Maggart. She's Fiona Apple's sister and she's unbelievable. So check it
Tim Holland: I will, I will get it. Thank you for telling me about it,
and I'm sorry I errant of it.
Brent Spiner: No, no.
Tim Holland: To Jack, I am a very big fan of your show and for my money
I think the television as a format, the most elusive yet rewarding,
affecting formula, for the lack of a better term, story type maybe would
be a better way to put it, is capturing an authentic heart-felt found
I think every show tries from cops who are partners to people on space
ships, and I would put you in that masterful storytelling league as
Roddenberry and Joss Whedon, capture it really well from recent
generations. Can you talk about your approach to collecting strangers
and forming them into a found family?
Jack Kenny: Well first of all thanks very much for that, those sweet
words. I really appreciate it. I didn't set out to write this way as a
writer, but I find that the way I approach every script that I ever
write is as a family because that's just what I know.
I wouldn't begin to know how to write a cold procedural, although I
certainly recognize the value of procedurals and the fun that people
have with them. I just don't know how to do that. I only know how to
write characters who love and fight and do all those things like a
family does because it just feels natural to me and that's the kind of
thing I want to watch. I like watching show that are family shows and I
think that almost every good show is a family show.
You get to ER, or going back to St. Elsewhere or the Mary Tyler Moore
Show, they're all family shows, they all have family dynamics.
Ultimately they all behave that way because I think that's what people
can relate to. Because at the end of the day you don't really want to
see a show about a workplace that's purely a workplace because we all
come from those.
So I don't know that it's terribly relaxing to come home and sit down
and watch a show about people and petty jealousies without that added
ingredient of people who actually care about each other. And so I think
that has a lot to do with why I like to go in that direction.
I always feel like if they care about each other you'll care about them.
I don't know any other way to write. Itís what I like to watch. I hope
that answered your question.
Tim Holland: It does. It seems that it would be the hardest lightning to
capture in a bottle, because you could also blow up something, shoot
Jack Kenny: Any hit show at any level of success is lightning in a
bottle. So many things have to get in line for a show to be a hit, and
the toughest one is the casting. You never know at the start if you're
getting it right or not. You just hope and pray that you're finding the
I know that even with Titus the idea of finding the right guy to play
his dad, when we found Stacy Keach we knew we had it. With this show
when I first looked at it, I didn't shoot the pilot, I came in on
Episode 2 and took it over from there, and I knew Eddie from years ago
and I knew Saul's work obviously very well. And I have never met Joanne,
but I could recognize the banter and the connection and I think the same
thing happened in actually Eddie and Jo's audition, you could just tell
there was a dynamic there that was interesting.
And Saul just rounded out the picture. These people relate to each other
like family. They don't relate to each other like workplace. It's just
naturally the way they're doing it. And that's what lead me to think,
"Well we need a younger sister, this show needs a younger sister."
We've got dad and the crazy aunt and brother and sister and Artie needs
somebody, he needs a sorcerer's apprentice. And I'd worked with Allison
and I knew the kind of actor she was and what she brings to the table.
And these are energies that you strive very hard to bring together or
you just luck out and they happen to work. And in our case I think it
was a little bit of both.
Tim Holland: It's a magnificent cast and from now on for future decades
I'll watch every show that any one of them is in because they are really
They are. And let me ask you before I get off real fast so other people
can ask, I did mention in my last review that there was supposedly going
to be a spin off with H.G. and Sykes, did that - is that still on the
shelf or is it possible?
Jack Kenny: Nothing is ever dead in Hollywood. We still have the notion.
Bob Goodman and I have kicking around the idea of H.G. Wells prequel,
and it wasn't really about Warehouse 12, but it was about her character
being kind of a Sherlock Holmesy type character in New York City in the
It's problematic because it's really expensive to shoot it - to make a
period show in 1890's New York, it's a fortune. And so we're still
kicking that around, we're still working with Syfy on it, it's not right
now currently at the top of their development slate, but like I say,
"Nothing is dead in Hollywood until there's a stake through its heart,"
and right now I don't think there's a stake through our hearts. So it
might happen, you never know.
Tim Holland: Okay. I'll get in the follow up line, but thanks for
spending your time with us today.
Brent Spiner: Thank you Tim.
Jack Kenny: Thank you.
Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Brandon Rowe with
SpoilerTV, please go ahead.
Brandon Rowe: Hi guys, thanks for taking my call.
Jack Kenny: Hi Brandon, guess we have to be careful what we say to
Brent Spiner: Yes.
Brandon Rowe: Why is that?
Jack Kenny: SpoilerTV.
Brent Spiner: It's a spoiler.
Brandon Rowe: Yes. I was wondering if Jack could give us any insight,
without spoiling too much, as to what artifacts will be seeing this
Jack Kenny: Yes, sure. Thereís an artifact that belonged to Lovecraft
that's coming. As we teased at the end of last season and at the end of
the last episode you'll be seeing Maelzel's metronome again. There's an
artifact that creates tornados. Now did you want to know what they do or
what the providence of them is?
Brandon Rowe: Just kind of a feel for what they are and where they came
from, stuff like that.
Jack Kenny: Bobby Fischer's marbles show up, I think they left Bobby
Fischer a while back, but then we find them. We see Scott Joplin's
As you remember last season Sykes had a bunch artifacts in that airplane
hangar and our gang has to go an retrieve them all, so there's a whole
bunch of artifacts there that have to be collected. We will be hearing
again from Lewis Carroll's mirror that shows up again.
Weíve done some interesting things with artifacts too. In one episode
there's an artifact that's actually inside of someone that has to be
dealt with and neutralized. So that's unique for us.
And we'll also see the birth of an artifact in an upcoming episode.
We'll learn how an artifact is born, and you saw the football in Episode
1 how it keeps tracks of artifacts and that it keeps track of artifacts
that we know about, that are birthed, and whether or not we have to
So we do open up the mythology quite a bit with artifacts this year and
learn more about how they're made and how they're done. And we learn a
little bit more about Mrs. Frederic, who she is, how she exists and what
her life has been like.
Brandon Rowe: Well I'm definitely looking forward to it. My second
question is for Brent. We've seen quite a few stars on Star Trek be on
Warehouse 13 and I was wondering if there was anyone from Star Trek
you'd like to have on the show with you.
Brent Spiner: No, I don't really care for any of those people. I missed
Jeri Ryan by about 12 hours I think, that was kind of exciting. And you
know what, truthfully anybody from any of the shows would be fantastic,
it's a great bunch of people.
Brandon Rowe: Well I thanks for taking my call and answering my
questions, those were great.
Brent Spiner: Thank you.
Jack Kenny: Okay.
Operator: Our next question...
Jack Kenny: I got an artifact.
Operator: ...comes from the line of (David Houkland) with the
(Outhouse), please go ahead.
Jack Kenny: The Outhouse.
Brent Spiner: It's true.
Jack Kenny: Yes, exactly.
David Houkland: Hi.
Brent Spiner: Hi (David).
David Houkland: Hey it's a great honor and privilege to talk to you
and also Brent Spiner.
Brent Spiner: Thanks.
David Houkland: Well I got a different couple of questions and
directions that I could go with this, but just going through Fresh Hell
real quick, what was - was that something that you had wanted to do for
a long time or was it just kind of a spur of the moment thing? And then
also I was thinking, how long do you think you're going to keep that
going, is it something that you could see going on for, you know, years
and years? Is there a definite stopping point or you know, what is in
the future for the Fresh Hell?
Brent Spiner: Well thanks for asking about Fresh Hell and let me just
say, freshhellseries.com while I'm here, I'd been playing with this idea
for a long time actually, quite a long time.
I worked very briefly with the director, Chris Ellis, on a project and I
told him the idea and he thought it was a cool idea, and he said, "Let
me talk to my friend Harry Hannigan who's a writer and I think he'll be
good for this too." And so we all got together and you've seen the
result. And right now the plan is I've told them already, "I don't want
to do this for more than 20 years."
David Houkland: Nineteen maybe.
Jack Kenny: It's good to know you're limit.
Brent Spiner: Yes, 19. I wouldn't be sad if it only goes 19.
David Houkland: Would you - if this does stop at some point or you
know you come to a resolution point, do you think you would want to do
another Web series? Did you like that format?
And I also thought, "Would you want to shop Fresh Hell to another avenue
maybe aside from the Web series or do you think the Web series is where
it belongs and the right format for it?"
Brent Spiner: It's where it is right now, I would love it if it was on
television and I'd love to have a television series, but since nobody
asked me to do one the beauty of the internet and the Web is that you
can do your own. And it has great advantages and it has some
disadvantages, the major one being you don't make any money.
But the advantages being, and Jack probably has experienced this in
working with a network is nobody second-guesses your material. You can
do whatever you want to do without somebody saying, "No we don't like
that do something else." And there are other advantages. The instant
worldwide feedback. So it's been a really pleasant journey so far.
Should one of the networks want to put it on air well we'll consider
David Houkland: And what about like a DVD collection where can, you
know, put them all together on a DVD and maybe some bonus features,
maybe that's a way that you can make a little money, just selling a DVD
Brent Spiner: Well perhaps, or I could maybe lose a lot of money that
way. But we'll see, that seems to be my habit in life so we probably
will do a DVD at some point.
David Houkland: Awesome. Just one last quick question about the first
show, we did interview Jonathan Frakes recently, or I was able to
interview Jonathan recently, and he mentioned that he would love to be
on Fresh Hell and he was, you know, hoping for that and thinking, how
could I get on it? And I had the idea that I pitched to him and he liked
it, and I was thinking maybe - and we heard about it a little bit with
the Ol' Yellow Eyes, maybe we could get Jonathan Frakes on in the
scenario that, you know, getting the band back together and trying to
reform the Sunspots.
Brent Spiner: I would love to have Jonathan on and I'm sure he will be
on eventually. But I don't want to pepper it too quickly with my Sci-Fi
Star Trek buddies because I just didn't want to take advantage of them.
But I think little by little you'll see everybody.
David Houkland: Cool, that's awesome. Well we definitely love the
Fresh Hell and I did want to ask about it and let you know that, you
know, we do love it there.
Brent Spiner: I appreciate that, I really do.
David Houkland: But going back to - I mean we're looking forward to
each new episode.
Brent Spiner: Thank you.
David Houkland: But it is not a Syfy thing and you know, you're on the
Warehouse 13 right now, or for a while, you were on Alphas which was
really good, and obviously on Star Trek. It just made me think, you
know, some actors grow up loving Sci-fi, others kind of fall into it. We
you a fan of Sci-fi growing up as a kid, was it something that you -
when you became an actor you were like chomping at the bit to get Sci-fi
roles, or did you just take whatever job came along and ended up
becoming such an iconic figure in Sci-fi?
Brent Spiner: Well yes, it wasn't a plan. I'm not like really zeroed in
focused on Sci-fi, but if it's good Sci-fi I like it. I like Westerns
too, I like comedy, I was much more of a Lucy kind of guy than I was a
Star Trek kind of guy. But fate has taken me in this direction and as
Robert Frost said, "That made all the difference."
Jack Kenny: Yes.
Brent Spiner: Thank you Jack.
David Houkland: Well.
Jack Kenny: It's not often that Robert Frost gets a laugh.
Brent Spiner: No truly, and I hoped he would. A full house laugh
actually, and both of you laughed. So go ahead.
David Houkland: Are there any other Syfy shows - are there any other
shows on - because you were on the Alphas, and we were happy to see
Brent Spiner: I was.
David Houkland: Are there any other shows on Syfy that you would want
to be on. I mean in the current, you know, day, you know, they got the
Defiance which is a TV show, and game hybrid. There's also the Lost
Girl, maybe Face Off could be a good appearance for you. Or what about
WWE Smackdown, would you want to go on that?
Brent Spiner: Yes that might be nice, that's kind of Sci-fi isn't it?
Jack Kenny: It feels like Commander Data is a natural for Being Human.
Brent Spiner: I think my association with Syfy is just happenstance.
Really my bag, if I have one, has always been comedy and I just have
found my way into this. I don't know how it happened and I'm taring at
the walls trying to get out. No, I'm not.
Jack Kenny: Comedy is the hardest thing to do and I feel like the best
actors have comedy in their soul because there's just a light behind
your eyes even when you're doing the heavy drama there's still something
going on behind the eyes that doesn't make it pure melodrama, that
notion of comedy makes it actually real drama because life has
everything in it like that.
So I feel like that's what makes Brent such a strong actor is because he
has such a history and a background in comedy that he brings that much
more strength to his drama.
Brent Spiner: Thank you Jack.
Jack Kenny: You know, hey true. It's true. As David Garrick said on his
deathbed, "Mr. Garrick are you in pain?" And he said, "No, dying is
easy, comedy is hard."
Brent Spiner: Exactly. I've always thought Olivier was a comedian.
Jack Kenny: Yes.
Brent Spiner: And in a lot of ways Brando is.
Jack Kenny: Well he certainly knows how to turn it on. I can remember
the movie he did with Matthew Broderick, there was a tremendous sense of
Brent Spiner: That was a great movie.
Jack Kenny: Yes.
David Houkland: Didn't he do - and lastly especially the followers on
Tweeter, everybody, you know, knows that Brent Spiner is a master at
many things and comedy is one of them. And I just want to say thank you
very much for answering the questions today.
Brent Spiner: Thank you mate.
Jack Kenny: Thanks.
Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Monique Jones with
tvequals.com, please go ahead.
Monique Jones: Hi.
Brent Spiner: Hi Monique. You there, Monique? We lost her Jack.
Jack Kenny: That was the shortest interview I've ever given.
Brent Spiner: But good.
Operator: Miss Jones your line is currently live Ma'am unless you've
muted on your end. I heard her say hi.
Brent Spiner: She did say hi.
Jack Kenny: Sounded like she had a nice voice.
Brent Spiner: She is one of my favorite people that I've ever met
Jack Kenny: I miss her, I miss her already.
Brent Spiner: I do, I'm in pain.
Operator: We'll move on to another question. This one is...
Jack Kenny: Goodbye Monique, we miss you.
Operator: ...comes from the line of (Sonny) (unintelligible)...
Brent Spiner: Bye Monique.
Operator: ...the (Sellivition), please go ahead.
Brent Spiner: Who's this.
Sonny (something): Hi.
Jack Kenny: Hi (Sonny).
Sonny (something): How are you doing today?
Jack Kenny: Actually I don't think our moderator (Eric) will ever speak
to us again, we keep interrupting him.
Sonny (something): I just have a quick question for Jack actually.
Jack Kenny: Okay.
Sonny (something): And you've mentioned before that there's a great thing about
Warehouse 13 is it's a fun ride. The first episode of this season was
less than fun, though I did adore the Pooh Bear comments between
Jack Kenny: Thank you.
Sonny (something): But there was significantly less banter in that episode. Given
the foreshadowing of a sort of darker - darkness to it, will it be
picking up more fun aspects throughout the season?
Jack Kenny: We'll never drop the fun from this show, there will always
be, even in the darkest episodes, a notion of comedy, because I think
that's when comedy is most useful and I think that's when people can
relate to it. And that's when these characters specifically are great at
finding a moment.
And it's not like they're making a joke, they are just trying to deal
with the darkness themselves and an awful lot of people deal with
darkness by making jokes. I do, whenever I'm intensely sad, I will very
quickly try to move to a humor place to take myself out of it.
So we'll always have that and we do have it all year. Allseason we deal
with it. And we get into some dark stuff this season, there's some heavy
duty stuff. As we said, "Artie has created evil that he'll have to live
with the rest of his days," and we take that seriously.
We want that to have real consequences this year, because there has to
be real consequences in this world otherwise the stakes will never be
high enough, there will never be any real danger. You'll always think,
"Oh they'll get out of it by blah-blah."
So there has to be consequences for what happens, but at the same time
people have to be able to move on, they have to be able to heal
themselves and move forward. And the best way for anybody to heal
themselves is with humor and with laughter and with making somebody
smile. And so I mean that's sort of Pete's Raison d' tre, he will always
will make a joke, always, even when his life is hanging in the balance,
he'll always be able to make a joke. He makes several in the premier.
Just trying to get through it, that's his mechanism for getting through.
I think Pete sort of leads the charge in, "I can get through life as
long as I can make myself laugh or make others laugh." That's how Pete
gets through things. So yes, it will always be a weapon in our arsenal.
And that's the way I look at comedy and jokes, as a weapon in the
arsenal to combat life's downers.
Sonny (something): Thank you very much, I just know a few fellow fans were a
little concerned that this was going to be getting a bit too dark.
Because we come to it - Warehouse 13 for the joy of it, and the laughter
that it provides.
Jack Kenny: Yes and we do and it will, it will continue providing joy
and laughter. But like I say, "There has to be a reality to the life and
to the world, and I think if we just did artifact romps every week that
I think even those fans would get tired of that and say, "Well can there
be some substance to it as well more than just a romp?" And we still do
plenty of romps, there's plenty of romping to be had between now and the
end of this first set of ten.
But at the same time I also want it to land a little bit and these
characters they have to keep moving and growing and going through things
as human beings. So in order for us to continue to want them to succeed
and to root for them to succeed they have to go through tribulations in
order for us to root for them.
Sonny (something): Okay, thank you very much.
Jack Kenny: Sure.
Brent Spiner: And that's why he runs this show because he knows the
answers. That was fantastic Jack.
Jack Kenny: Well thank you Brent.
Brent Spiner: Yes, and really true you know.
Operator: Our next question...
Brent Spiner: I'm sorry, go ahead. Next question.
Operator: Coming from the line of Kyle Nolan with the - it's a follow up
from noreruns.net, please go ahead.
Brent Spiner: Not Kyle Nolan again.
Jack Kenny: Oh my god did you hear him on the phone.
Brent Spiner: He's still here.
Jack Kenny: I mean of all the people to ask a second question
Kyle Nolan: Good Jack, could you talk about how this year's extended 20
episode season changed how you plan out the season and how Brent's
episodes will be laid out throughout the season?
Jack Kenny: I've never done this many hour-long in a row and let me be
the first to say, "I don't recommend it." It's almost killing me.
Because it's just a lot of episodes to keep in your head. But it's sort
of two seasons.
The first ten really follow an arc unto themselves and as we usually do,
end with a major cliffhanger and major emotional turmoil. Thing that
happens at the end of Episode 10 that we then pick up in the following
season, Episode 11 and continue. And then that arc takes a different
turn and we have to solve that problem that we've created in these first
And every season we create a problem and at the end of the season that
has to be solved and then overcome in the following season, another
problem. So it's really two seasons, it doesn't really connect, but on
the other hand, we had to basically break out two full arcs for our
characters to go through. And yet they were connected.
So it's been a challenge in that it's just a tremendous amount of work.
I'm blessed with a brilliant writing staff that is constantly churning
out new ideas and new ways to approach things, and just pumping out
great stuff. we had a 14 week prep period before we even started
shooting where the writers just sat in the room for 14 weeks breaking
out the arcs, breaking out the stories, figuring out where it all went.
When we started shooting in February we had eight scripts written,
essentially, the whole first season. And then we just had to wrap it up.
And we're kind of at that same place now before we start our back eight
episodes coming up. We've got all but the last two in some sort of
So it's really just a question of a lot of work and really putting in
the time and the effort. I'm hoping to go back to 13 someday.
Kyle Nolan: So will Brent be spread across both of those ten season -
ten episode arcs or is he done in that first half?
Jack Kenny: Essentially the Brother Adrian character wraps up in the
first ten episodes. I will not rule out bringing Brent back again
because I absolutely just love working with him. So if I have my
druthers we'll see Brother Adrian once again.
Kyle Nolan: Great, thanks.
Brent Spiner: Well thank you, and I will not rule out coming back again,
because I need a job. No, because I love working with Jack and Saul and
Eddie and the crew, it was fantastic.
Kyle Nolan: And actually just one more question. And so when you bring
on - Jack when you bring on a Sci-fi icon like Brent Spiner, is there
any added pressure to make sure you get the character right and I mean
the same for you Brent. Like you know you have a lot of diehard fans, do
you worry about when you come onto another Sci-fi show?
Brent Spiner: Well I personally worry whenever I do anything. That's
just who I am. I'm a worrier. And acting is scary. It's not something I
just do casually, I'm always worried whether I'm going to deliver the
goods and give the audience and the people who've hired me what they
need. And so yes, it does concern me.
Jack Kenny: And I approach just like any other actor. I'm not a big fan
of winking to the past that the actor has had with another role. I think
that the whole point is to see them do something else, something
different, because you like them as an actor. Otherwise, we'd have
Commander Data rather than Brother Adrian.
So my feeling is I just want to hire great actors. And I feel like we -
that's what we get with somebody like Brent or Jeri Ryan or Kate Mulgrew
or Rene Auberjonois; yes they have a sci-fi icon background, but they're
also magnificent actors in their own right. And so they bring that to
the table which is probably why they're sci-fi icons by the way.
Kyle Nolan: Yes well thanks a lot guys. I can't wait to see how the rest
of the season plays out.
Brent Spiner: You're going to like it.
Jack Kenny: You will, it's true.
Operator: our next question is a follow-up from the line of Erin Willard
with scifimafia.com. Please go ahead.
Erin Willard: Yes, I'm back, yes.
Brent Spiner: Erin we have missed you so much. It's like God, the rest
of these people have been such a drag.
Jack Kenny: We were just talking about, "When are we going to see her
Brent Spiner: Yes really.
Jack Kenny: She never calls, she never writes.
Erin Willard: I know, I'm so sorry about that. The Freshman by the way
is the name of that Brando movie. And...
Brent Spiner: Oh The Freshman, that's right.
Jack Kenny: Freshman, right yes, thank you.
Erin Willard: Yes. And Dreamland is also on iTunes now Brent, just so
Brent Spiner: Oh yes, for download on iTunes, thank you.
Erin Willard: Right, right. So both of you have such a variety of
talent, I'm wondering if each of you have a current preference, you
know, for Brent if it's movies or TV or stage or recording studio, and
for Jack, if you like writing scripts or music or producing or directing
Brent Spiner: Well for me, seriously I'm not being glib when I say, "I
just like to work." And particularly like to work on good projects. But
I don't have a preference. As long as it's quality material I'm really
happy to be there.
Jack Kenny: And I've never written a screenplay, so I have no idea what
it's like to write for film or movies. I have friends who do it and I
know that it's a considerably slower process in terms of getting
something done, which is why I love television, it's very immediate. You
find out right away if it's going to be shot, if it's going to be done,
if it's going to go on.
And you get to see the results right away. And it is a killer schedule,
8 days to shoot an episode and then you're right on to the next one.
I always tell people who want the extra 4 or 5 takes, "You know what,
it's not perfect, it just ends." It can't be it just, if you're lucky
you get it right, you generally certainly get it close to right, and we
always do I think. And that's the joy of working with really talented
actors and crew and directors and writers. But I do love the immediacy
of it and the quick moving train through a station that it is. I've
never written a play. I wrote a short play, which was fun.
I also like the fact that television changes every week. It's an
entirely new script every week. And especially with our show, we get to
throw them into completely different situations, different locations,
sometimes the episodes had different themes, just a whole different
tenor to them. I love that.
I think I have found my bliss writing for television. I think that's the
fun place for me. And do love acting, I just didn't love the business of
acting. I didn't like waiting by the phone. So I can live without that
Erin Willard: I'm sure. Now and obviously Warehouse 13 is going to keep
you really busy, but do you have other projects you can talk about?
Jack Kenny: I have not had time really to do anything. We're remodeling
our kitchen. I can talk to you about that. Do you know any good stucco
No - I actually have a very good person. No, I haven't had time. I've
taken a couple of other projects into UCP and Syfy with other writers
and I've worked on the hg prequel spinoff with Bob Goodman, more in
supervisory capacity than my actually writing them because I just am
And I've got three or four projects on a back burner that I haven't
really been able to focus on to give any attention to because of the
schedule of this. But we wrap in November and I'll hopefully have four
or five hours after that that I can focus on other things.
Erin Willard: No kidding. And Brent?
Brent Spiner: Yes? Yes, and focus on me too.
Jack Kenny: I have to write a project for Brent apparently.
Brent Spiner: Yes. Actually, yes that's one of the projects that jack is
focusing on is the Brother Adrian detective series that's coming.
Jack Kenny: Actually we do have an idea for a series we want to do but
we can't talk about that.
Brent Spiner: We do. My biggest project of course right now, aside from
this and looking for work is Fresh Hell, and we're going to have a third
season of that. We've just started thinking about where we want to go
with it. And that and doing a myriad of personal appearances, which I
Erin Willard: Great, can't wait. Thank you both so much.
Brent Spiner: Thank you.
Jack Kenny: Thank you.
Gary Morgenstein: And now our time is up. Thank you Jack and Brent.
Brent Spiner: Thank you.
Jack Kenny: Thank you Gary. Thank you (Eric). Thank you everyone who was
Brent Spiner: Thanks everyone. And jack, congratulations by the way on
the stellar opening. Very great.
Jack Kenny: Thank you, you too.
Brent Spiner: Yes cool. May it continue.
Jack Kenny: Yes, I hope so. Yes, I'll cross everything. Thank you
Gary Morgenstein: Thank you, take care everyone.
Brent Spiner: Thanks everyone.
Gary Morgenstein: Bye-bye.
Jack Kenny: Bye.
Brent Spiner: All right, bye-bye.
Operator: Ladies and Gentlemen that does conclude the conference call
for today, we thank you for your participation and you may now
disconnect your lines.
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