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Interview with Tony Curran and Jaime
Murray of "Defiance" on Syfy 5/1/13
SYFY CONFERENCE CALL - DEFIANCE
Moderator: Brenda Lowry
May 1, 2013
3:30 pm CT
Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by.
Welcome to theSyfy conference call for Defiance. As a
reminder, this conference is being recorded Wednesday, May
the 1st 2013. I would now like to turn the conference over
to Brenda Lowry. Please go ahead.
Brenda Lowry: Thank you. Hi everyone. Thanks so much for
joining us on our call today with Tony Curran and Jaime
Murray - two of the starts of Defiance who portray Datak
Tarr and Stahma Tarr - members of an alien race called the
Hi guys, thanks so much for doing this call today. Weíre
Jaime Murray: Hi. Thanks for having us.
Tony Curran: Thank you. Hi.
Brenda Lowry: And in case anybody doesnít know by now,
Defiance airs Monday nights at 9:00 PM onSyfy. So I think
without further ado, letís kick off the call.
Operator: Our first question comes from the line of Jamie
Ruby with scifivision.com. Please go ahead.
Jamie Ruby: So can you talk about - especially in this next
episode coming up, weíre learning more and more that Stahma
seems to be the one in charge of the whole council thing and
everything. Can you guys talk just kind of in the general
sense about how that dynamic is shifting and how weíll
continue to see more of that through the season?
Jaime Murray: Well, you know, itís really an interesting
role to me because although Iím playing this woman who I see
five years in the future, really I sometimes felt like I was
in a period piece because there are two things about the
Castithans which are very similar to, you know, where we
came from, you know, hundreds of years ago. And that is that
they come from very patriarchal society. So based on gender,
Stahma is quite repressed and her job would really be, you
know, what historians might think well, you know, a breeder
and a bleeder.
And she could have been expected to be a good mother.
However this is actually complicated by the fact that Stahma
and Datak come from a society with a really strict cloth
system and that they have very strict cost. And Datak would
almost have been an untouchable. He would have been on the
very lowest end of that kind of cloth system. And Stahma
would have been at the very top almost like aristocracy or
So they would never on their own planet have been together.
But when, you know, itís a whole new world that theyíre on
now and in many ways, the qualities that Datak had to employ
to survive back on Caspi made him very powerful and strong
in the new world of Defiance because, you know, heís - and
sheís now with this very powerful man.
But thereís this interesting dynamic in their relationship
and itís almost like thereís an interesting power struggle
because sheís more highly educated than him and sheís - I
mean theyíre both intelligent but she has, you know, sheís
probably been to more schools than him and maybe seen at the
lumber game where heís very shroud and sharp and he has
lived on his instincts all his life.
And so together theyíre an awesome combination but because
of the fact that sheís a woman, she canít really - she canít
tell him what to do - not outright. So she has to be very
cunning and shroud and go sideways about how she
communicates ideas to him and suggests, you know, ways of
dealing with situations to him and I think that he is
sometimes at the whim of his emotions more than Stahma.
Stahma is very controlled and so sometimes sheís often
counseling him to be more patient, to take more time, think
of the long term and try to do it without injuring his
Tony Curran: Yes, I think as you see - as an interesting
question - as you see the season progress and each episode
unfolding, as Jaime says, you know, you see so many
interesting dynamics with a lot of the characters but one
of, you know, theyíre all compelling but one of the oneís we
thinksí quite interesting is the fact of Jamie as of Stahma
and Datak coming from another planet but also coming from
very different ends of the spectrum within a very sort of
social sort of society, culturally very different.
And I think that - I think Datak - I think theyíre both -
theyíre trying to reinvent themselves basically which they
have been doing like Stahma would have had - wouldnít have
had as much power like she has now the way sheís able to
will it in her very subtle manner what she has to do with
Datak and thinking, you know, giving him the feeling that,
you know, heís holding all the cards or heís got the ideas
when actually, you know, she doesnít want to upset him
because he gives such a volatile character.
But back on their own planet she was obviously - as Jaime
said - itís a very clear patriarchal society. She would not
be able to wield her cunning sort of ways as sheís doing in
Defiance. And then Datak and his sort of journey as well - I
think heís beginning to, you know, become a little wiser and
Stahmaís almost unconsciously or she wants it to be
unconsciously skewing Datak in the sense of no honey, donít
react too quickly because, you know, you have to keep your
volatility and your temperament in check because when you
behave like that, it doesnít do you any good. It doesnít do
your family any good.
So I think that as the season progresses and hopefully, you
know, we will cross for next season. Youíll see that Datak
becomes a little - he wizens up to Stahmaís sort of cunning
approach to things because as, you know, heís a bit of a
blunt instrument and sheís much more of a refined tool if
you like. And both of them together are obviously Ė they
are, you know, quite a formidable couple.
Jaime Murray: So one thing that I thought was interesting
for me as an actor is I realized that we all wear masks and
sometimes thereís an act where you kind of work out which
mask your character is wearing when. And sometimes, you
know, youíll start as an actor - youíll have a relationship
that you can show where your characterís not wearing that
mask. And as Stahma sheís wearing the mask all the time and
she wears the mask even with Datak and itís not that she
doesnít love him and obviously she does.
But it was interesting for me - as the season progressed, I
felt as though there were times when the mask slipped and
that was very interesting for me. Not completely - Iím
hoping that it will next season though.
Tony Curran: No, thatís an interesting point because itís
sort of - and as Jaime said, you know, itís a very human
thing because itís something that we - because to cast the
fans in the show, me and Jaimeís characters Jesse who plays
Alak. They started shooting and we had not actually even,
you know, we were supposed to start shooting but we hadnít
actually completed, you know, finished on our makeup and how
we will look. And I think that was an important thing about
playing the aliens.
Yes, so aliens, different languages. We look different. We
sound different. But we wanted it to put people to be able
to see the actors, to see your eyes, to see your emotions.
And I think thatís an important fact of playing them and the
way weíre designed and the way we look that you can relate
to them. They are aliens but they have many, many, many
traits that are very similar, especially the, you know, the
patriarchal, matriarchal society within especially what itís
like, you know, in Asia cultures and Saudi Arabia where, you
know, women are still looked down upon in many, many
cultures which is, you know, which is completely wrong.
But within - itís the similar similarities within outcasts
in society and I think thatís what makes the women in
Defiance so very, very powerful and very relatable I think
to young women or any women out there because of the way
they approach the characters. And I think thatís very
compelling of them for people to watch, you know.
Jamie Ruby: Well thank you very much.
Tony Curran: Oh sure. Sorry, I thought I lost you there.
Operator: And now our next question comes from the line of
Steve Eramo from Scifi & TV Talk. Please go ahead.
Steve Eramo: Before I begin, I have to tell you Iím
thoroughly enjoying your work on the show so far. You guys
have created a couple of really intriguing and rather creepy
characters and Iím really looking forward to see where they
take them this season.
Tony Curran: Thank you.
Jaime Murray: Weíre going for creepy.
Tony Curran: If you have nothing to do with day talk, itís
all Stahma. I would trade, you know, I was a shy kid just
going about my work, you know.
Steve Eramo: My first question for both of you - I wanted to
find out if you could tell us a little bit about maybe what
initially attracted you to your respective roles and also
maybe what are some of the initial acting challenges you
both found stepping into these executive shoes.
Tony Curran: Itís a good question and the first thing that
attracted me to well reading the script, there was the size
and scale of it all and how challenging this would be and
also that the, you know, playing an alien and what that
would entail I think for me was just sort of - it was going
to be a challenge for anybody really. But I think for me it
was that to break it all down with the characters, you know.
If you donít, you can have this fantastical backdrop of
these amazing sort of aliens and the statistics of backdrop.
But if you donít have the - if you donít have these
interesting characters that people can relate to then I
think for me that was the most important thing, you know.
And also playing someone whoís from a difference of, you
know, different planetary system and also who is actually a
kid from, you know, from the gutter as well. And this
interesting dynamic that I found worth having, you know,
something like sense and sensibility if you will when
someone from the gutter ends up marrying someone from the
upper edge lawns of society.
So for me it was just interesting to play a character who
had that sort of - who had that interesting dynamic with,
you know, within someone who came from a different star cast
Jaime Murray: Yes, I agree. Definitely my relationship with
Datak - the Stahma Datak relationship was very interesting
to me and I felt as though it was, you know, a lot of play
that we could have with that and, you know, a very complex
relationship. But also, you know, just playing another
specifies was just so interesting to me because, you know,
this is the wonderful thing about Syfy. It just skews
things, you know, it just offers access just enough that it
gives you a whole new way of looking at things - a really
fresh perspective on things.
And, you know, I knew instinctively but in my quest to play
an alien, it would make me take a fresh look at what it
means to be human because, you know, you want these - you
want these things that the - have I lost you guys? Youíre so
Operator: No, weíre listening intently.
Tony Curran: No. On your every word my darling, Iíll just
make some noises now and again.
Jaime Murray: Keep breathing or something.
Tony Curran: Keep breathing. Donít die on me. Donít die on
Jaime Murray: You know, you have to kind of choose things
which you are universal enough that the audience wants these
different species to kind of make it work. Theyíre
recognizable, you know. You donít want to just play, you
know, an animal or, you know, you want to play something
which is human enough but different enough.
And so, you know, as an actor I had to kind of think how am
I going to make this woman different enough that people can
think sheís an alien but similar enough that theyíre not
completely kind of turned off by her and they can actually
invest in the drama of these people and this family.
And so we kind of - we talked a lot about, you know,
cultural and social things which are jarring and make you
feel very uncomfortable. And you can have fun with that.
Some of those things are quite harmless, you know, and
others are really horrendous. So in the second episode, you
know, one of the, you know, fairly harmless ones was that
creepy scene in the bus somewhere, you know, and Iím very
scantily caught and Iím hugging my grownup son.
I think thatís sort of super creepy. But, you know, you
could go to European country or, you know, an African
country and, you know, nudity is handled in a completely
different way. So that was, you know, that was just kind of
like an interesting kind of quirk that shows that youíre not
in Kansas anymore but then obviously in the second episode
as well you see something far more disturbing and grotesque
when you see a man strung up and tortured before the whole
town because heís ashamed of the cast of some people.
So it was - I think thereís almost elements where you can
have fun with these differences and other areas where you
can make really valid important points and which arenít too
far removed which is whatís going on in, you know, other
places in the world today. So I thought so there was a lot
of power and there was a lot of scope in playing these
characters and I was really excited about that.
Tony Curran: And you know the thing you mentioned Jaime
about the moment in the bath scene. I spoke to Kevin Murphy
about that. That moment where, you know, Stahmaís sort of
half semi-clad and, you know, her son is wearing his denim
jacket and Iím in the bath. And she gives me a look as if to
say oh you be quiet. And then I give her this weird smile
which is obviously - everybodyís tweeting out going what was
going on there?
And apparently NBC were like well weíre not too sure about
that moment and apparently they werenít going to put it in
the show. And...
Jaime Murray: They put it in the show. It was so upsetting.
Tony Curran: It was so weird and people - I said to Kev -
but thatís exactly what we people should be reacting to.
Weíre not doing it for some sort of well letís do something
to surprise them in some sort of emotional response. Weíre
doing it because the towels are not from Kansas. The towels
are from another planet. And there weird and wonderful and
then their weirdness should definitely, you know, it should
be odd but it should be hopefully people should think itís
kind of different and interesting and intriguing enough to
These people are - how many eccentric wonderful weird people
do you look at and go wow, heís odd or sheís odd but then
you go Iíd like to see them again. And I think thatís what I
think the Tarr's are like. You know, as Jaime said you want
to make them relatable but at the same time they have to be,
you know, we have to make them, you know, a little
Jaime Murray: Different enough that you can believe that
theyíre organically a different species because obviously
Iím a human woman playing this alien. So Iíve got to do a
few somersaults so you can see...
Tony Curran: Allegedly Mrs. Murray, you are human. Iíve
Jaime Murray: Only on the outside, exactly. But you know,
actually that point that you made, you know, it - didnít
necessarily, you know, you have to kind of think, you know,
I didnít want to move like a human woman, you know. And so
when it kind of came to challenges, you know, thereís part
of, you know, my acting technique is, you know, I focus on
the other actor and I read and respond to their behavior.
And then I allow my own impulses - I try not to sensor my
impulses - and I allow my own impulses to come up.
Thatís kind of like basically, you know, a very basic
description of sometimes, you know, how I try and make it
work on set. But, you know, in playing this alien, a lot of
my impulses are human. Sometimes I would have an impulse and
I would think oh well what is the opposite of that impulse?
So for example in the pilot, you know, I knew that I had to
get into this bath and, you know, I realized that there were
things that I would do if Iím scantily clad as a human
woman. There is a certain self consciousness that I have
about my body and a certain way that I would hold myself
which is very recognizably female and human.
And I thought well why would this alien species have the
same hang-ups and the same and hold their body in the same
way as a human female, you know. Why would this alien - why
would she not necessarily stand like a cat or a serpent or
ballerina, you know, kind of erect and proud, you know. You
know, theyíre not the same species.
So you kind of try and make as many choices which shows that
they are different and I think that, you know, obviously we
work with amazing makeup artists and costume designers and,
you know, the lighting with the DP, what he did in the tar
house lighting wise I think really elevated our scenes.
Tony Curran: And weíve also been on the planet - itís
interesting because we still - as Jaime said - we still have
sort of a trace of our own cultural and alien background
physically. But the tars have also been on planet earth
since 2013. Itís now, you know, 33 years later. So we have
integrated it. Me and Jaime talked about it a lot with the
producers direct about how we would sound when we were
speaking English. And we were going to try some interesting
accents. But then we decided that because it was set in
America that we would, you know, have to talk about this
vocal side of it.
We would try and integrate best into the society as much as
possible. So we would have sounded like the American people
around us. But Jaime made a wonderful way of speaking as
Stahma where she tries - sheís very slowly deliberate and
tries to find the words as if itís still tricky for the
Castithans to speak English but itís, you know, theyíre very
deliberate about it whereas the way I sound and we thought,
oh we have to sound the same and then we decided well if
someoneís from Oxford in England and someoneís still from
England but from the east end of London, you know, they are
going to sound very different and thatís why, you know.
Thatís why obviously Datak and Stahma you know, when we
speak with certain vocals but...
Jaime Murray: No but Tony, Tony also you - you are
integrated. You learn your - the American language from
other Americans on the streets of Defiance and, you know, in
the Shanty Town. Whereas Iíve learned to do that and
actually I rarely leave the house. I mean youíre the only
person, you know, I rarely go out. I start to in this
season, you know, I start to integrate a little bit more.
But up until this point, I think I really very rarely -
Christieís probably one of the first humans Iíve really
Tony Curran: Indeed, sheís someone like Lady Diana back in
the day or, you know, thereís these public engagements.
Stahma wouldnít be out on the street very much at all really
so whereas, you know, I wonít say too much about it but
there is - thereís many avenues of back story to go down in
the coming weeks and youíll find out some interesting things
about the tars by going by, you know, by going back which
they may do. Iíll put it like that. I beg you thatís enough.
Steve Eramo: Well listen. I cannot wait and again, Iím big
fans of you both so again, it was an absolute pleasure
speaking to you and best of luck and success with the show.
Operator: And now our next question comes from the line of
Tony Tellado with Scifi Talk. Please go ahead.
Tony Tellado: Hey. I have a question about your relationship
on the show and one thing Iíve noticed so far - she
obviously manipulates him a little bit. Do you think itís -
for both of you - do you think he knows heís being
manipulated and do you think heíd ever do something about
Tony Curran: Sorry, thatís a good, good question. Itís an
interesting question, aye, Jaime; because I donít think
anybodyís ever asked that question. Iíve thought about it
myself. Iíve thought about it and...
Jaime Murray: It kind of depends on how they do it. And
sometimes if it feels good, Iíll just go with it.
Itís like, you know, thereís sometimes moments, you know,
and I would be in scenes with Tony and Tonyís like such an
in the moment organic actor. And, you know, it was almost
kind of - sometimes we would have these scenes and they were
so charged because it was like, you know, it was almost like
a love scene sometimes because it was so volatile but kind
of - it didnít kick off, you know, because I think that he
kind of knew and he kind of appreciated it but it was kind
of a thing that they didnít talk about because, you know.
Tony Curran: Yes, you know, I think that itís interesting,
especially, you know, in episode one in the bath and she
starts saying, you know, I have to get some changes and Iím
going to kill, you know, itís pretty intense stuff to say
Iím not going to kill him but Iím going to kill his whole
family. You know, itís like Iíll tip toe, Iím going to wake
up in the middle of the night and burn his house down and
piss on his ass, you know.
So heís in the bath and, you now, as Stahma does - she
gently puts the idea in his head that, you know, maybe we
should marry these kids off and then we could take over the
mines. And I think definitely with Datak or with anybody
really - if someone gives you an idea - someone gives you
their opinion that just happens to be, you know, more
informed or a great idea. I think that Datak - I think he
admires Stahma. I think he definitely knows in the back of
his mind that there is this culture class system which
realistically he isnít part of - he was never part of.
She, you know, with her husband from the past, you know, he
would have been telling her what to do. But now he knows
that sheís smart. He knows that. But obviously as Jaime said
before, itís the unsaid. You know, sheís not going to come
out and say oh for Godís sake Datak donít do that. Do this.
She does it - Stahma does it in a very suggestive and very,
you know, very manipulative cat like way. But sheís
manipulating Datak for the better of the two of them of
their drive to the top. Sheís not manipulating him in a
detrimental way - well not yet anyway.
But sheís - I think Datak you know, subconsciously he knows
sheís smart and I think he likes the way she approaches him
with her ideas and sometimes they would later write the
episodes where they talk about being refugees and things to
do with Alak. And it isnít manipulative. Itís more, you
know, you see Stahma come out of her shell and she just
canít deal with Datak. Sort of a subtle approach - if you
will - from Stahma.
Sometimes Stahma just puts her foot down and says listen
Datak you fucking get a grip here. Pardon my French. Get a
grip here or weíre going to lose what weíve got. So yes, I
think he knows what sheís doing and I think he respects her
and stuff like that. But at the same time I think Stahma has
to - she still has to watch her step in many ways which is
unfortunate but I think thatís what makes the two of them
then sort of quite the dynamic between them quite
Jaime Murray: I think at the beginning, you know, when you
first meet Datak heís - he listens to her much more and then
as the season progresses, I think maybe he does - he enjoys
some success in kind of the social climbing that theyíre
both kind of trying to achieve even from the beginning. And
I think that actually her control over him listened.
He becomes more - wouldnít you say Tony - he becomes more
confident in his abilities and he thinks obviously he
doesnít need her council quite so much.
Tony Curran: Yes but I think thatís because heís getting
these good ideas but he doesnít actually - I think he has to
realize that these good ideas are coming from not just her
ideology and her philosophy about things but also itís about
calming him down and also giving him good ideas but also I
think Datakís going to change and I think Stahmaís molding
him into - heís always got the power there and the sort of
the blunt instrument and the volatility there which is
required in a town like Defiance. But that can get you only
But I think Stahma - I think Jaime I think that Stahmaís -
sheís fine tuning the attack and to someone - sheís
educating them I think. I think sheís educating them.
Jaime Murray: So usually when Stahma councils Datak itís to
fulfill their long-term aspirations whereas the difference
between them is Datak will have good ideas how to win
something in the moment. But sometimes the repercussions of
those choices are, you know, not worth that win.
Tony Curran: Yes, itís like winning the battle but losing
the war if you will.
Jaime Murray: And sometimes also he will make good decisions
to win in that moment but what heís actually winning is the
satisfaction of his own ego.
Tony Curran: Yes, itís very much about his own - he needs
that fix in that moment of sort of...
Jaime Murray: Itís that narcissistic fix. Sheís not a
narcissist. Sheís almost vampiric in her avaricious kind of
materialistic social climbing aspiration but she never needs
to take credit. She never needs to see it be seen as the
victor and she never needs to be right whereas he needs all
those things really badly. And she plays on those in order
to kind of achieve her means.
But there is a real shift in power as the season goes on and
they both end up in kind of territory - kind of new
territory and they have to kind of find a new way of dealing
with each other.
Tony Curran: I think thatís interesting that Jaime says that
sort of the unsung heroin if you will - sheís the stoical
and, you know, she said that she may have that egotistical
say to her but as like with Datak sheís the quiet - sheís
the silence of them - the stoical sort of, you know, stealth
like serpent that comes through the grass and takes its prey
And then you turn around and sheís gone, you know. Sheís so
- sheís smarter. Sheís probably arguably the smartest, you
know, alien of person in town and God knows what she would
be like if she did - if she did good things for the
community which Iím sure Stahma will. But I think that sheís
just a stoical character Stahma. Very quiet and I think that
one day hopefully - or maybe that will never happen - that
Datak and Stahma can really relate to each other in maybe a
more sort of equality - yes with an equality sort of
approach. I donít know if that would happen.
Yes, you know, I think that would be interesting. But right
now I think the dynamic between the two of them has got so
many possibilities because thereís things in the next few
episodes that show up which I obviously canít talk about but
Stahma does things that maybe Datak doesnít know about and
that, you know, if your better half - your husband or your
wife start doing things that you donít know that theyíre
doing and then you find out about them. You know, that can
definitely stir the pot if you will.
Jaime Murray: Whatís good for the goose is good for the
Tony Curran: Exactly.
Tony Tellado: Well from a viewer standpoint, if I were each
on their bad side, I would fear her more because I mean I
could see him coming from a mile away but her - Iíd always
be watching my back and thatís really what...
Tony Curran: I know, exactly. Youíd hear a silverback coming
through the jungle before youíd see a snake in the grass.
Letís put it that way. Iím watching the Twitter feed here
and everything weíre sayingís coming up. Itís quite funny.
Jaime Murray: Hooray. Itís not live is it?
Tony Curran: Stahma is the silent stealthy one, probably the
smartest in town. There you go. Itís all down there in the
tweets darling. You canít hide from it.
Jaime Murray: Youíre so rude.
Tony Curran: Itís so rude. I thought this was between us.
Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Erin
Willard with Scifi Mafia. Please go ahead.
Erin Willard: Hi, thanks so much for being on the call
today. I was already a big fan of both of your work and so
Iím so glad youíve been given these such great parts in
Defiance. And I got to say this subtlety that each of you
bring to your parts are what I really, really enjoy about
watching you to do it overall.
Tony Curran: Thank you. Jaimeís very subtle as Stahma. Iím
trying to be a little more subtle.
Erin Willard: Well, you know, itís those troubled times that
you kind of make us like him that I really appreciate
because, you know, itís one thing to be kind of big and loud
and mean but then every once in a while youíll pop in
something like, you know, I really kind of like this but I
donít want to...
Jaime Murray: Yes and I think that I - whether the audience
sees it - but when Iím in scenes with Tony, you know, heís
like thereís a lot of hot air that comes out of Datak but
thereís so much vulnerability. You know, I would be in a
scene with Tony with Datak you know, and itís confusing as
an actor sometimes. And just see this little boy or this
Tony Curran: Yes, no itís true. Itís true.
Jaime Murray: And I often, you know, there were real moments
as Stahma that I just wanted to take care of him. I just
wanted to save him from himself. And I loved him. I love
Tony Curran: Now going down that straight through as a
gentleman just said who was on the phone, I think that, you
know, those big characters like Datak as a lot of men who
have got a volatile temper and itís probably from their
unfortunate past that theyíve had. So then Stahmaís
obviously had more of a, you know, silver spoon in her mouth
- if you will - upbringing. But she is definitely - I donít
think sheís as vulnerable as Datak can be. He is like a -
yes, he can be like a spoiled child. Yes, thatís a good
Jaime Murray: So I wanted to ask...
Tony Curran: Which makes people interesting to play I guess.
It makes them interesting to play, yes.
Erin Willard: And thatís kind of what I wanted to ask is
what - do you have like a greatest joy about your part and
maybe your biggest challenge?
Tony Curran: Yes I think what you mentioned there that I
think is fun because, you know, thereís a lot of rules out
there that anchors play and, you know, and I think for me
playing a role that itís, you know, when I was doing the
pilot there was the rule of this oh aggressiveness - oh heís
this aggressive type alien type character. But I always - I
always look to movies like him - angels with dark faces or
white heat. I was always a big fan of Jimmy Cagney.
And when people like you are playing an alien and youíre
watching Cagney movies, Iím like yes because - like he was a
kid from the street as well. And at the end of the day he
was as hard as a shell that he perceived to have. He was
damaged. He was damaged goods. He had issues and the reason
that he behaved the way he behaved was because of his
upbringing because obviously like we all - our past shapes,
our future. And definitely Datakís past is shaping his
present and his future.
But just to be all about sort of blowing all air and
behaving in an aggressive manner would be very dull. I think
itís interesting to see that and youíll see in episodes to
come how Stahma you know, takes care of Datak because he is
like a big kid in many ways and he is a vulnerable
individual who tries to have this, you know, he is a strong
character. Thereís no doubt about it but at the same time
like any human being - to talk about humans again. Yes, I
think that he is - there are huge vulnerabilities in him.
Anyway, a lot of the characters in Defiance - they have many
skeletons in the closet and theyíre almost trying to
separate themselves from their past and instead of facing
the past and dealing with it. And I think as you see the
next few episodes come up, there are some back-story coming
up which will reveal things about many characters in
Defiance that you donít know about now.
So yes, I think itís - itís good to have a role - of course
the regular character. If itís all on the same level, it
becomes, you know, not so compelling I feel.
Erin Willard: And Jaime?
Jaime Murray: Sorry. Iíve lost a sense of what the question
Erin Willard: Oh, okay. I was kind of asking what your
biggest joy was about your part that you really get the most
Tony Curran: Apart from working with me obviously.
Jaime Murray: No, no way. I really lucked out there.
Tony Curran: I thought you fell asleep there while I was
talking. I thought Murray - sheís fallen asleep again. Sheís
buying a pair of Jimmy Choo shoes. Sorry.
Jaime Murray: The - well I mean I think, you know, I talked
about, you know, the challenge for me in playing, you know,
the unexpected delight in playing this alien is it forced me
to look at what it means to be human. And, you know, when
weíre talking and trying to look like these characters, you
know, youíre constantly talking about what human beings do.
So that was really fun.
But also I just feel as though thereís so much scope for
this character. I feel as though and it will start happening
in this season but I feel as though Stahma doesnít really
know who she is. I donít really think she has any real idea
of who she is. I think she only knows who she is in terms of
other people and I think thatís going to be really exciting
for it to suddenly dawn on her that sheís not on planet
Casti anymore, that sheís surrounded by free and emancipated
And although she has power and although she is intelligent,
she is so defined by the men in her life and I think it will
be interesting to see it dawn on her that there might be
other ways of existing in this new world.
Erin Willard: Wow. I think sheís just going to be a force in
nature. I canít wait.
Tony Curran: Sheís going to become more of a force than me.
Jaime Murray: Iím an existing mix of - sheís incredibly
powerful and almost mach valiant. I canít even talk this
Tony Curran: Machiavellian.
Jaime Murray: Machiavellian in the way that she behaves. But
thereís - a lot of, you know, I often felt very vulnerable
playing her. I felt very isolated. I felt very lonely
because she doesnít really let that mask slip with anyone.
So if youíre constantly hiding behind your mask, youíre not
really truly connected. And I think that she might actually
kind of realize how disconnected she is and she might kind
of try and be brave and connect with somebody and that might
be quite of a profound feeling for her. And letís see how
that turns out.
Tony Curran: Yes, thatís interesting. If youíre held up in
that sort of, you know, in that castle all the time. I mean
thereís not many...
Jaime Murray: Sheís a bird in a gilded cage.
Tony Curran: Yes, exactly. I mean sheís not - she canít
Jaime Murray: The way you behave in that moment - I mean
thereís a raw immediacy about who he is which, you know, I
bet he sleeps quite good at night whereas I bet Stahma
doesnít sleep so good.
Tony Curran: Yes.
Erin Willard: Wow. I canít wait to see any of it. Your
performances have been absolutely outstanding and I really
appreciate the work. Thank you both so much for your lovely
Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Tim
Holquinn with TV Over Mind. Please go ahead.
Tim Holquinn: Hi, Iím really thrilled to get to speak to
both of you for the first time today.
After Defiance I got to say ďA Well Respected ManĒ is my new
favorite episode and the bit at the end between Stahma and
Nolan says so much in so few words. Simply brilliant.
My question is about Alakís radio station thatís coming up.
Kevin Murphy said his plan was to include bold earth vinyl
which reminded me that when you first joined Twitter, Jaime,
you used to tweet out songs by Lily Allen and Vice and
Jaime Murray: Iím not very technologically clever and I
think I probably got on that website because of Eddie
McClintock from Warehouse 13 and I need to find another way
of streaming music because I love music.
Tim Holquinn: And you would dedicate like donít hate me to
Julie. So Iím wondering from both of you as actors, not your
characters but if you could add any contemporary artist to
Alakís playlist just to get artists on the show under the
geyser called earth vinyl. Who might that be?
Jaime Murray: Oh Tony, you go.
Tony Curran: Oh I think - itís because old earth vinyl was -
I love that heís bringing that into it because obviously,
you know, I can speak for all of us on the phone right now.
That was definitely the first musical format that I
remember. The first album that I bought was a Stevie Wonder
album called ďHotter than JulyĒ. Itís an album with like
ďMaster BlasterĒ on it and songs like that. And Iíve always
been a big fan of Motown as well.
So I did well up for my boy - oh boy play some Motown. Play
some, you know, some things like Stevie Wonder for instance
or, you know, Diana Ross. I donít know. Did I say that? Yes.
Jaime Murray: I canít really imagine like Diana Ross in the
Tony Curran: I was going to say Diana Ross is the right
thing to say.
Jaime Murray: A bit tweaked. A little bit unsettling like
something like I can imagine Pearl Jam.
Tony Curran: Yes.
Jaime Murray: And I imagine like, Jeremy, like thereís kind
of like some rage in all those Pearl Jam songs or, you know,
or maybe something a little bit kind of quirky like the
Cure, you know.
Tony Curran: Yes, that would be cool as well, yes. Adam and
Jaime Murray: Exactly. There was some real kind of like
because itís cool. Iím left in the 80s. Thereís some of
those kind of 80s, early 90s song I think are quite kind of
apt to have sound guard.
Tony Curran: I think Alak is going to have a fun time of
suggesting things because (Jessie) for us - heís such a Syfy
aficionado and he loves his music as well that heís having
such a blast playing Alak and heís so wonderful that heís
going to have a tall, you know, ball. Heís like Iíve got a
radio station. And I donít know if you noticed but
(Jessie)ís been tweeting as Alak talking about recaps in the
If you see the tweets, you know, heíll go so last week, what
happened on Defiance. Have you seen that Jaime? Have you
seen his tweets?
Jaime Murray: Yes.
Tony Curran: And heíll basically recap the episode. Itís a
little video like a little video he does.
Tim Holquinn: Like a radio station.
Tony Curran: Yes, the radio station. And itís like, you
know, show Nolan or you. And my mom doesnít like Nolan. He
doesnít like her. And he talks about it and then itís a
little video feed which, you know, that boyís a genius he
is. Heís a genius.
Jaime Murray: You didnít even like Alak particularly.
Tony Curran: You donít like him?
Jaime Murray: No, you donít.
Tony Curran: I donít like him. I donít. But if youíre
talking about music, see the end of episode one. Thereís a
lovely scene between Fionnula and the train carriage. And
thereís some beautiful - Iím not sure who it is but itís
like from the 20s or 30s - this old sort of speak easy music
that was just added in as sort of background music. And it
was the very last scene in the pilot.
Jaime Murray: Yes.
Tony Curran: Yes, it really took you into the scene. You
were like oh hang on a minute. Yes, itís very evocative and
where is this taking you and what is sort of the ambiguity
of the scene and what they were talking about or what they
werenít talking about was very interesting I thought and the
music really brought you into that, yes.
Jaime Murray: Yes. I love the music in our show.
Tony Curran: Yes. Itís some interesting fun stuff.
Tim Holquinn: Thank you so much for that and thank you so
much for your talent. I really - I treasure it.
Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Lisa
Macklem from SpoilerTV.com. Please go ahead.
Lisa Macklem: Iím just going to join everybody in gushing
about how much I love your characters.
Tony Curran: Thatís so nice. I donít think Iíve done a phone
call like this before Jaime. I donít know about you but itís
nice to see and weíre very privileged to have to speak
between me and my wonderful fellow actress and my TV wife.
Weíre very - yes, itís very nice to speak to everybody like
this and to have everybody say nice things.
Lisa Macklem: Well Iím sure I speak for everybody in saying
just how wonderfully in depth your answers are and I mean
theyíre just terrific. So Iím going to try and stay on that
sort of same track.
So sort of along the lines of what weíve been talking about
them being from sort of different ends of the spectrum, I
mean Datak has kind of had to embrace his evil because heís
had to sort of fight his way out to the streets and Stahma
is, you know, itís part of the patriarchal society that she
has to operate the way that she does.
And Iím just wondering because weíve seen - well Datak can
be evil. Heís definitely not a coward. I mean heís very
brave every time that he has to fight or defend his family.
But Iím just wondering if at some point he may end up
putting the town first. Is he maybe going to get sucked more
into the town politics at some point?
Tony Curran: Yes, itís an interesting point actually. And
some people have said to me isnít there sort of a - Stahma
has such a stoic way about her that, you know, wouldnít it
be the case one day where Stahma might get what she wants
and then, you know, and then Datak is superfluous to
requirements as it were. So to reverse what you said there,
it may not be Datak who puts the tone first. Maybe itís
Stahma but that is yet to be seen.
But yes, to be totally honest, my first instinct of that
would be I donít know how far Datak will get without Stahma.
I think he can get to a certain point but to talk about or
just to mention that the bar - the house of ill repute is
called the need want in Defiance. And itís interesting
between Datak and Stahma - how much do they need each other
and how much do they want each other?
So I find that quite an interesting, you know, question
which is basically will they always need each other and will
they always desire each other because I think they desire
each other but to get to where they both got to, I think
they definitely needed each other.
So itís interesting because Iíve heard some talk through the
grapevine of what may happen in the future and a lot of it
Jaime Murray: Iíd like to talk about that Tony.
Tony Curran: Exactly. But thatís what Iím saying. Iím not
going to talk about it but itís like oh really, you think
that may happen, you know. So itís...
Jaime Murray: How do you feel about that? You donít like it,
Tony Curran: What might happen in the future?
Yes, Datak ends up dying his hair red and I just thought
that was - no I was like a ginger. I canít be a ginger. Iím
already a ginger. No, I think that there are things that
happen in the future that are going to be, you know, that
are going to be very - itís going to be tough for Datak and
Stahma but I think that itís a very interesting road to go
down after whatís happened in season one but obviously...
Jaime Murray: But they are so much a part of each other. The
kind of the two only really exist as a part of each other,
you know. And so itís very interesting who are they as
Tony Curran: Yes and I think that once you take one away
from the other - if that was ever to happen physically I
mean - then I think then you would maybe - as Jaime said -
the last lady chatting online. Youíd see maybe who Stahma
really is or who she thinks she is or how does she feel
about Datak. Yes, who would fail Datak, yes.
Lisa Macklem: Thatís better away from the other. I wonder I
think - I think - yes well I donít know if I can.
Jaime Murray: Yes, I donít know if I can answer. I keep on
coming at an attempt to answering your question, Lisa, and I
keep almost giving spoilers away. So itís a good question
because itís obviously a question that the writers want you
to ask and answer and I think that you might find the answer
to your question, you know, this season.
Tony Curran: Next week, yes.
This is lovely because Kevin - heís obviously a writer or
producer or wonderfully talented but Iíve worked with
directors sometimes who will come up to you before a scene
and theyíll whisper something in your ear and tell me
something that they havenít told Jaime. And so I love
organically - we use that world - what can Jaime be because
we can do things to each other during a scene, you know,
thatís not scripted that she doesnít know itís coming or I
donít know itís coming and it just keeps the scene fresh.
And Kevin Murphy will come up to you in a bar, you know, if
youíve done a rehearsal and heíll tell you something about
whatís to come and youíre like seriously, youíre going to
write that? And heís like yes, yes but donít tell anybody I
told you that, you know.
So you heíll tell me something heís going to write about
Jaime and Iíll be like seriously? Oh my God. And Iím sure he
does it to Jaime as well about other characters but
sometimes heís told me some things recently and Iím like
wow, thatís going to be really challenging and really
embracing for our character to play that, you know, when he
slips a little jam in my ear about, you know, whatís going
to happen to another character, you know, which I find, you
know, really exciting for the future of all of Defiance
hopefully if weíre, you know, going to go into a second
Jaime Murray: I actually, Lisa I was thinking about your
question and, you know, you were asking would Datak ever put
the town before his family and if so, you know, how his
family would deal with that. Is that really what...?
Tony Curran: Yes, thatís - yes.
Jaime Murray: Well I think that - I think that she would put
the family first but she might get distracted at some point
this season. And so Datak might be, you know, sheís still,
you know, sheís still there. Sheís still involved but she
kind of might take her eye off the ball a bit and I think
that then Datak - itís not that he is thinking of the good
of the town particularly. I canít say itís that noble or
Tony Curran: Yes.
Jaime Murray: A little bit more time and space whereby he
reacts to his own ego and his own kind of - he might kind
of, you know, act out a rash decision without kind of having
her kind of sooth him and council him. And, you know, you
might be interested to see where that all kind of leaves
Tony Curran: Yes. I mean you can see - I think sometimes you
can see distance makes the heart grow fonder but then you
can also see out of sight out of mind, you know. And I was
thinking that Datak might - he might be like a little boy,
you know, to begin with - maybe whereís my other half?
Whereís my better half? I need...
Jaime Murray: Whereís my mommy?
Tony Curran: Mommy. And then he may revert back to where he
was before he met Stahma, you know. Thereís that list of the
calmer rat if you will whereas Stahma, you know, several of
you know they go - anything happened in the future where
they were, you know, not with each other. Then you would see
a woman being able to - if she had the opportunity - to
wield her power without the help or, you know, of a man - of
an alien man because she can stand alone and that would be
very interesting for her, yes.
Jaime Murray: The new strength. She might discover new ways
of being whereas I think with Datak - he might revert back
to old behaviors.
Tony Curran: Yes, without her by his side. Yes, definitely.
I think that she - heís trying to, you know, weíre both
saying oh Datak, you know. And in very subtle ways sheís
trying to improve his manners, you know, his ways. But then
I think without her yes, he could definitely fall back into
his old ways and I think maybe the complete opposite of that
is maybe Stahma could start soaring - soaring far above him
and going in a completely opposite direction because sheís
like that because sheís so bloody smart.
And who doesnít think that Stahma Tarr is quite - by the way
my nephews - Iíve got to say this quickly - my nephews go
from 5 to like 23 and they keep texting me Uncle T, Uncle T.
Man, that Stahma bud, sheís so hot.
Lisa Macklem: My husband said that right beside me on the
Jaime Murray: I hope Iím confusing a whole generation.
Tony Curran: You are messing their heads up. There is one -
my mom is 79 years of age and she was lying - she was - she
was a bit tired. My nephewís five and he was talking about
Jaime. And then one day my mom was like to her, would you
please calm down and relax. And my mom sat down and you
remember that moment when Trenna plays the endogen darku and
she puts a finger on Julie Benzís head? It was ďGood Human.Ē
Lisa Macklem: Oh yes.
Tony Curran: So Maryís lying down on the couch and Calin
comes up to her and he puts his finger on her head and he
goes good human. Good human. I mean thatís crazy. Heís
watching the pilot, you know. So itís definitely getting out
there at a young age - a young age. Iíve got a couple of
Lisa Macklem: Thatís great. Thank you so much.
Tony Curran: No, thank you. Thanks for your interesting
question. That was very interesting indeed - fascinating.
Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Suzanne
Lanoue from the TV Mega Site. Please go ahead.
Suzanne Lanoue: Hi. Well my question got taken but I came up
with some new ones. So I have a question for each of you.
Jaime, the last three shows Iíve seen you in, youíve been
kind of a bad girl you might call it - villainous. Why do
you think you keep getting chosen for these roles?
Jaime Murray: Well I think that, you know, you play one role
like that and kind of - if people kind of enjoy that, you
know, then, you know, they kind of see you. And I also, you
know, I look so different in this role but, you know, maybe
thereís something about, you know, my physiology and, you
know, my facial structure. I donít know but what I do know
is that I really enjoy playing these roles.
And, you know, theyíre very complex women dealing with very
complex situations and what Iíve - the way Iíve always
approached these roles is even the worst person in the world
kind of including Mussolini and Hitler - they didnít think
that what they were doing was wrong. They were committing
the worst atrocities, you know, against humanity and they
thought that they were validated and that they were doing
the right thing, you know.
People do what they think that they have to do and they
often do the thing they think is the only choice they have
or theyíre making the best of a bad situation. So whatís
really interesting if an actor is looking at what might have
brought that person to that place and kind of really getting
to know that person, you know. And in this case itís not.
Tony Curran: What shape, you know, what shaped their past to
make them, yes.
Jaime Murray: Yes, what shaped those and brought them to
making those horrendous choices or what brought them to that
value system - that skewed, you know, awful value system.
And, you know, I have often - maybe thatís why I keep
getting these roles because I try not to judge the character
as bad because you canít play bad. If you play bad, you end
up, you know, playing a cartoon or playing a characture.
So really youíve got to be the best lawyer that you can
possibly be for these characters and, you know, Lila and
Dexter you know, I played her. She was a broken person and
she was really looking for a connection and sheíd never
really truly in her life had one before. Thatís why she was
going to all those NA meetings. She was trying to feel
emotions that sheíd never felt before and then when she
found Dexter, she saw his dark passenger straight away and
she related to it and she felt a connection for the first
time in her life.
And then when that connection was withdrawn from her, it
made her go crazy. Like her wounded inner child just took
over and she did some really, really awful things. What
other bad characters have I played?
Suzanne Lanoue: Ringer.
Jaime Murray: Oh Ringer, yes.
Jaime Murray: I think that Olivia and Ringer - she was one
of those women that really was very competitive and started
competing with men in an industry which was very male
dominated. And so instead of kind of rising above it, she
actually kind of became the worst type of kind of aggressive
mad. She took all the worst traits of all the worst men that
sheíd ever worked with and kind of, you know, except for
what she adopted thinking that she, you know, that was the
only way of her winning.
And so it was really nice when the writers then wrote the
story where, you know, my character showed a softer side
with Andrea Goss who played Catherine. And, you know, and
itís really nice, you know, when youíre able to show these
So in warehouse 13 with HG World, you know, I start off as,
you know, the archetypal, you know, daddy and at the
beginning of the season, you know, then I have this amazing
arch whereby, you know, I kind of won over the team. And
then in the next season I kind of - I save the team. So
thereís a real chance for a redemption in that role.
And also, you know, you were given insight into what made
her lose it, you know. She lost a child and, you know, I
think that, you know, there was a real charm to that
character because you understood that she made horrible,
horrible decisions but you were given some insight into her
crazy and why she might have made those choices.
So I love playing these characters because youíre never
really just playing, you know, sometimes you can - as a
female - you know, you can sometimes be cast in roles which
are just really kind of layering or coloring, you know, the
male heroís role, you know, giving insight into his
Tony Curran: Yes.
Jaime Murray: You know and those roles can be fun to play
but sometimes these daddy female roles are so complex.
Tony Curran: Theyíre more complex. Theyíre more interesting,
yes I suppose. The less black and white if you will, right.
Suzanne Lanoue: Yes. Iíve talked to a lot of actors and it
seems like actors do usually prefer playing bad guys one way
or the other because they get more complicated.
Jaime Murray: Yes, yes, they do.
Tony Curran: Theyíre not bad. Theyíre just misunderstood.
Jaime Murray: Right.
Suzanne Lanoue: And Tony, I was going to ask you about your
accent for the character. Did you make the choice to make it
different than your own or was it somebody elseís choice or
how did that work out?
Tony Curran: For Datak?
Suzanne Lanoue: Yes.
Tony Curran: Yes. Well I think at some frames some people
said oh, you know, we just love your accent. Why donít you
do it in your own accent? And I was like - sorry - I was
like donít be so stupid, you know. Oh, heís a Scottish
alien. Oh thatís really clever. Yes, really smart.
No but yes, I just - I mean, you know, Iíve got quite a
strong accent. Thereís no doubt about that but I just think
that these aliens are then, you know, they had integrated
into their society. If it was set and, you know, if it was
set in Glasgow then it might be different or if it was set
in London but it wasnít. It was set in, you know, it was set
So yes, I quite like, you know, itís a part - especially
playing an alien - if I was to use my own accent, I think
that would be very odd for me. So I think that, you know,
losing oneís self in a different zone. Itís almost like - I
donít know how Jaime feels about it but itís not like Iím
actually doing an accent. Itís almost like I just would -
Iíd be in my room and I donít know everybody - anybody
elseís process. Iíd be in my room talking to myself as Datak
or trying to find a voice and some lines that we see and
lines that weíre reading paragraphs of the script.
I would be reading from a book I may be reading that time
and I would try to find and itís not like leaving my accent
but almost trying to find another sound that obviously
isnít, you know, my own accent but is the sound that I feel
comfortable in to express what Datak can - has to, you know,
what he has to express I guess. So I think I feel quite
comfortable in it now.
And as more - as I watch the episodes for characters that
Iíve never, you know, havenít done scenes with or scenes
that Jaimeís done. Arguably one of my favorite scenes - one
of them is the scene between Christie and Jaime on the train
carriage. I think that Jaime sounds amazing and the scene is
And I think as actors you constantly keep learning because
Iíve watched last nightís episode and then I, you know,
watch the last episodes and youíre looking in the world that
was created because thereís a lot of the time when me and
Jaime arenít on the set and youíre looking at scenes, you
know, that was shot when youíre not there. And youíre like
okay, thatís how that part of the world looks, you know,
when as before itís only been in your mindís eye as it were.
So yes, I think that youíre constantly learning about how
you sound, how you look, how you move and how other people
do the same. And itís sort of interesting to sort of try and
learn something from that I guess is always interesting.
Suzanne Lanoue: Alright, thank you very much and I hope the
show goes on for years and years. I really enjoy it.
Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Mary
Dawson with My Schmoltz Blogger. Please go ahead.
Mary Dawson: Hi Jaime and Tony. Good afternoon from a very
Jaime Murray: Oh my goodness. I canít believe it.
Tony Curran: Are you skiing. Are you skiing (Mary)?
Jaime Murray: Weíre in Los Angeles. Itís so sunny here.
Mary Dawson: Itís so cold here but anyway, youíre making it
for a warm afternoon. Iíll get on with it because I know
there are lots of other questions. As a political junky, I
really enjoy picking out the particle undertones of Defiance
and I think itís very timely in that our American congress
is about to start debating immigration reform.
And weíve heard the Defiance mayor insist on several
occasions that assimilation is the only way to really
coexist whether itís 2014 or 2040 something, it seems that
aliens are always expected - whether theyíre space or
undocumented - to assimilate here in the United States. With
such diverse culture lines drawn in Defiance, do you think
assimilation is possible and should it be?
Tony Curran: I think assimilation is inevitable in many ways
and especially with the unfortunate recent events with, you
know, the way terrorism is sweeping across the - sweeping
across the world. But I think what weíre in many ways
sometimes on the verge because of certain, you know,
religionís been attached to certain terroristic attacks. I
donít mean to go into that right now but I think itís
But it could be on the verge of turning really bad if
humanity cannot see, you know, see a way to try and
integrate societies and to have that - to have that - the
American dream - the American philosophy of acceptance and
Jaime Murray: You know, Iím glad that you asked this
question. You know, after last episode, you know, Tony and I
were emailing the show producers and backwards and forwards
because, you know, there were views that really kind of
picked up on the points that youíre making. And I was like
yes, you know, theyíre seeing, you know, some of those, you
know, really important universal themes that we wanted to
make sure that we showed in a really nuanced and interesting
And, you know, what I would say is that societies - all
societies need to evolve. And itís when people become
entrenched in certain ways, thatís when you have a problem.
And it was, you know, itís really interesting - that scene
between Datak and Stahma in the bath - where Stahma comes
from the upper atriums of Casti and society and you can tell
that she has a little bit of distaste about, you know, what
theyíre doing to Eli in the town square.
And Datak who really never got anything good for his own
society is the one holding on so tightly to those old
traditions and those old traditions did nothing for him. And
I think that was a really interesting point that the episode
made which is it is generally the disenfranchised of any
society that carries on doing damaging behaviors. And
damaging behaviors - it doesnít matter where they come from.
Theyíre damaging to everybody.
And I think that, you know, you then have a child come into
that scene and heís dressed in his modern clothes and he
just wants to be kind of connected and hang out with his
generation. He doesnít really see, you know, the other
species particularly. You know, itís not about him retaining
who he is, you know. He wants to evolve and thereís always
these kind of clashing kind of generations and cultures, you
know, in that one scene.
I thought was really kind of interesting what he done. And I
would just say that I think that universal desire is that
human beings have is for connection. And as you look at
immigration and moving forward, assimilation sounds, you
know - I donít know - it has connotations which could be
really positive and sometimes, you know, really kind of get
peopleís back slapped.
I just think that we need to look at ways of a different
cultures connecting with each other on an authentic way so
that we donít end up with disenfranchised people who want to
do damage to our societies.
And whether itís the UK and the British people or the
American people - they have to be prepared to evolve too.
You know, you donít want to stay the same. Who wants to stay
the same? And then other cultures, you know, that come into,
you know, a new place. They have to be willing to evolve as
well and together we can create something new and we can
create something better maybe.
Tony Curran: Yes, definitely. I think thatís what - thatís
what the more optimistic, the more hopeful and progressive
side of Defiance is trying to achieve. And to get away from
the secular nature of humanity that is that you stay over
there because you are a white middle class person and we
have black people over here. And we are Asians over here and
we are whatever over there. And weíre all going to integrate
with each other because we get on better separately.
I think in the sense of Defiance and in the sense of the
world at large, people are traveling now to different
countries for many different reasons because of the lack of
opportunity in their own countries, because of war and my
wife is, you know, she was born in Saigon. You know, she
came over here in 73 and sheís like, you know - if you will
- with Datak and Stahma in the sense of their being a refuge
- a displaced person who had to come to come to another
country for opportunity.
And then I think itís for anybody who comes from another
country because theyíre forced to do so and to come into a
society. And arguably the greatest country in the world
America - I wouldnít even say arguably - for opportunities
for people from all over the world. I mean thatís why
America started in the sense of when people came from Europe
and people came from South America and, you know, they
founded the United States. It was other cultures within the
American - well obviously the American Indians were here
People started creating opportunity and thatís what - thatís
what Americaís been based on. So the political cultural
similarities between, you know, America and the planet today
with Defiance. I think people are going to find very -
especially for a science fiction show that you might not
think has that depth or clout or progressive sort of message
to say no to people. I think thatís what - within this
wonderful fantastical backdrop of the science fiction world.
Youíre going to find some very, very human stories with it -
no pun intended - about people being alienated within their
societies wherever they come from.
And I think thatís what Datak and Stahma and a lot of other
characters in the show that we talk about, that we discuss
and I think thatís what makes it - this show could go far in
many ways because itís holding a mirror up to like any good
drama. Itís like holding a mirror up to society and saying
this is what we are. You donít like those bits. These are
some good bits but we canít deny what we are. And the
question is what are we going to do about it?
Are we going to try to make it better or are we going to
turn a blind eye to it and just, you know, and just go
backwards basically because if we donít land from our past
then our future can be very bleak. Jesus it all got very
heavy all of the sudden.
Mary Dawson: It did, didnít it?
Tony Curran: The other thing I think is very, very
interesting and I love your - Iím sure Jaime feels the same
way. I love your question.
Mary Dawson: Thank you very much. I hope that more people
start to think of assimilation as less of a melting pot and
more of a stir fry.
Tony Curran: No. As Gandhi said, an eye for an eye makes the
whole world blind. So he was a good bloke.
Mary Dawson: Well thank you very much. I love the show and
continue good work and keep up hitting them on the political
angle. I love that.
Operator: And we do have a follow-up question from the line
of Jamie Ruby with scifivision.com. Please go ahead.
Jamie Ruby: Hi again. So this is a fairly quick question.
Have either of you played the game yet and do you know if
your characters are - if they have any plans for them to be
in the game.
Jaime Murray: My characterís not in the game. As I was
saying, you know, Iím kind of quite a lady. So I donít know
Tony Curran: Iím a lady.
Jaime Murray: A few unknowns or a few in the next season but
I did play the game at Comic-con and I played it a couple of
months ago in the UK and I wasnít very good at it at all. I
think for the qualities that drew me to acting like, you
know, kind of getting into things and kind of having empathy
and kind of getting excitable and like kind of following my
impulses make me a horrible, horrible gamer because I get
really excited and I squeal like a little girl and, you
know, I get really nervous when Iím playing the game.
And so Iím better off kind of watching other people play the
game because it think you need to be cool, calm and kind of,
you know, cool headed when you play these games and theyíre
not qualities really that I have. But I enjoy watching the
game because, you know, you see the grass blowing in the
wind and itís so intricate and the world is really kind of
beautifully created. So that kind of enriched me as an actor
but unfortunately Iím not a very good gamer at all.
Tony Curran: With the way Jaime says that, I think Iíd like
to watch Jaime playing the game actually.
Jaime Murray: I do have this picture of me playing the game.
Iím all like elbows and hunched and worried like Iím an
anxious little child.
Tony Curran: Iíve played the game at Comic-con. Iíve got it
at home. When I get a chance, I get on there. But the thing
is the video games - once you get on it - itís not like yes,
Iíll play for ten minutes. You can waste hours playing video
games. And, you know, some people donít have that much time.
But I think theyíve done a great job with it.
I think when I was in a Syfy event in New York recently; I
spoke to some of the gamers. I played there and the guys who
created the game. And God, thereís like 300 people who have
been involved in it over the past five years. And they said,
you know, characters like Stahma and Datak and Alak will be
integrated into the next stage of the game.
Jaime Murray: Including me?
Tony Curran: Oh yes, including you. Yes because youíre like
oh, what have I got? Oh, Iíve got to really, you know,
challenge blade and Iím sure Stahmaís going to have some
little, you know, maybe Stahma will have some special
powers, you know. Who knows, you know. But yes, I think so.
I donít think they could put me in the game and not put you
But if Iím going to have to get into a little black tight
motion capture outfit, Iím sure as heck - youíre coming
along with me sister, you know.
Jaime Murray: Iíll come and take some pictures and tweet
Tony Curran: Yes. You look like an Olympic runner. But I
think the characters are going to get empty because this
game is, you know, itís slowly hopefully going to expand
more and more. So then I think it would be fun to be part of
and then theyíve already mentioned that some of the main
other characters are going to be part of the game. So Julie
and Jaime and myself and Jesse and so on. So thatíll be
quite exciting to play yourself in the game, you know.
Jamie Ruby: Well I like the game so far and I love the show
and I think next week - next weekís episode we got the
screener for. I think thatís actually the best so far and I
really enjoyed that one and all the political stuff going on
and everything, so.
Jaime Murray: Have you seen next week with the bio man?
Jamie Ruby: Yes, yes.
Tony Curran: Kenya gets kidnapped.
Jaime Murray: How about you giving a spoiler alert?
Tony Curran: Well sheís already seen it. Sheís already seen
it, you know. So this is live on NPR.
Jamie Ruby: Yes, I wonít tweet that part. I wonít tweet that
Tony Curran: Yes, no tweedy, tweedy. Thank you. Thank you.
Jamie Ruby: Anyway, thanks a lot guys.
Tony Curran: No honey, thank you. Thank you very much.
Jaime Murray: Thank you.
Brenda Lowry: Thank you everyone. This is Brenda Lowry with
Syfy. Thank you everyone for joining safe call. We really
appreciate the software questions and look forward to your
coverage and thank you so much for your time and truly
insightful answers. Have a good day everyone.
Tony Curran: Very interesting. Thank you very much.
Jaime Murray: Thank you.
Tony Curran: Bye.
Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, that does include the
conference call for today. We thank you for your
participation and ask that you please disconnect your lines.
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