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Interview with Rockmond Dunbar of "Sons of Anarchy" on FX 11/2/11
FX NETWORK: SONS OF ANARCHY
November 2, 2011/10:00 a.m. PDT
SPEAKERS
Kristy Silvernail, FX Network / Media Relations Manager
Rockmond Dunbar, Sons of Anarchy / “Eli Roosevelt”
PRESENTATION
Moderator Welcome to the Sons of Anarchy Conference call. At this time,
all phone participants will be in a listen-only mode. Later, there will
be an opportunity for your questions, and the instructions will be given
at that time. As a reminder, the conference is being recorded.
I’ll now turn the conference over to our host Kristy Silvernail.
K. Silvernail Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the Sons of Anarchy
Conference Call with Rockmond Dunbar who stars as Charming’s new lawman,
‘Eli Roosevelt.’ Before we get started, I just wanted to take a brief
moment and thank all of you for joining us this morning and especially
Rockmond. It’s such a pleasure to have you with us, so thank you. As
everyone knows, Sons of Anarchy airs Tuesday nights at 10:00 p.m.
Eastern and Pacific only on FX.
With that said, let’s open it up for questions.
Moderator We go to the line of Margie McGrath with Spoiler TV.
M. McGrath My first question is do you think ‘Eli’s’ going along with
‘Linc’ now because he has no choice or do you think he believes it’s the
right thing to do to take on the club?
R. Dunbar I think we just wrapped the full season so I kind of know
where it’s going and where it ends and I can’t tell you, unfortunately,
but, it’s going to be a really interesting twist. Everyone thinks that
they know exactly what’s going on but Kurt is so genius with his writing
and storytelling that you’ll never be able to figure it out. I mean even
when we … read through for the scripts, for the next episode it’s always
surprising. We have a great, great talented group of writers so … it’s
going to be interesting.
M. McGrath Is it more fun for you to play a cop or a bad guy?
R. Dunbar It’s fun to work … on most characters that are three
dimensional. I love characters that basically have something to say and
a lot to do. I love characters that are conflicted, characters that are
not just surface presentational models basically, so this character’s
definitely a job. I loved the last character that I played, ‘Mark
Gustafson,’ with FX – another great character that Sean Ryan created. So
yes, I don’t think it’s an either/or thing…it’s more the basis of the
character and if the character’s three dimensional or not, and then I
get to play and have fun.
Moderator We have a question from the line of Tom Wilson from Simply TV.
T. Wilson Early on in the season I thought that ‘Eli’ was on a mission
to bring down the…but as the season has gone on it seems to be that he’s
actually a bit … more by a … desire to prevent crime. What do you think
his message … towards the club?
R. Dunbar I didn’t hear the tail end of that question. To prevent the—?
T. Wilson What do you think about his message of …, ‘Eli’s’ message of …
towards the club?
R. Dunbar I think he’s an honest straightforward police officer, no if
and or buts. I don’t think he’s a negative sort of bending the rules
type of guy. I think he’s a guy that is straightforward. He loves
policing and he loves his job, and he can never be turned, flipped, or
turned into something else that he’s not. He will always try to do the
right thing and the right way of policing. Unfortunately and fortunately
because of the great storytelling it always looks a certain way because
the bad guys are actually the good guys in the series, so when you have
someone who is the new sheriff in town and he’s trying to do his job
some of the things that he might choose to do then look bad or look
negative but it’s actually correct policing.
T. Wilson Why do you think ‘Eli’ would have become a police officer
originally when he left …?
R. Dunbar A little back story is he comes from a long line of police
officers. He actually grew up within the neighborhood. Grew up within
the area, loves the area, loves the Bay area, and went to school outside
of the area, and then came back home, so he loves the area just as much
as the bikers do. He’s probably at the end of the day I’m not sure how
many generations down the line but he comes from a decent lineage of
police officers.
T. Wilson Are we going to see more of his wife and that side of the
story as the season goes on?
R. Dunbar It’s really interesting and that’s probably a question for
Kurt or the writers. I have no idea. When we were actually filming the
show you didn’t know what was going to happen until you sat down in the
read through and started to read the script. You had no idea what was
going to happen.
Moderator We have a question from the line of Lena Lamoray with
LenaLamoray.com.
L. Lamoray Now, as a huge Terriers fan I was so happy when you were cast
on the Sons of Anarchy. Now, ‘Eli’ could really use some help from
‘Hank’ and ‘Britt’ right about now.
R. Dunbar It’s kind of funny.
L. Lamoray How would you compare playing ‘Detective Mark’ to ‘Sheriff
Eli’?
R. Dunbar Two totally different characters. Two totally different
personalities and hopefully I’m portraying that and they don’t look
exactly the same. I think FX gave me the opportunity to play a different
character and knew that I could play it, and hopefully that’s shining
through. But they’re both two totally different ways of policing, and I
couldn’t even choose like a favorite to tell you the truth because I
actually loved playing ‘Mark Gustafson’ and I love playing ‘Eli’ now.
L. Lamoray Now, Peter Weller’s directing next week’s incredible episode
so what was it like working with him again?
R. Dunbar Peter is great. I absolutely love working with Peter. I love
working with actors that turn directors and really know the language and
how to speak to an actor to get an actor to a certain point. I think
actors make wonderful directors period so it’s really great working with
Peter. I love his sensibility. I love his way of storytelling and his
eye. He has a really great eye for pulling the story together and
actually getting an actor to a space where playing the field is really
comfortable, and he brings out the best work in you.
Moderator We have a question from the line of Elle Lutz with
YourEntertainmentCorner.com.
E. Lutz My first question is that it seems to me that ‘Eli’s’ position
on SAMCRO seems to have softened and he’s become more disapproving of
‘Potter’s’ antics. You know we see him stand up but his thoughts about
how he sees the Sons are not really shared. Can you share with us what
is going on in ‘Eli’s’ mind and has his views on the … has changed based
on the resent events?
R. Dunbar I think it’s going to be very clear towards the end of the
season. Those thoughts will actually be verbalized and played into
action. But to give you where he is right now he doesn’t like to be
manipulated or bend to do things that are unnecessary. He does like to
be fair but at the same time his life of criminal activity is really
harsh.
So what’s going on in his mind right now is he’s being manipulated and
he doesn’t like it, and he’s trying to figure out how to get out of this
situation but also how to police his town. It’s very, very difficult
when you are under the strong hold of another government official and
can be put in the position where you might not be able to do the things
that you love, and so he’s trying to figure that out. He’s very, very
conflicted.
E. Lutz Have his views on the Sons changed at all?
R. Dunbar I don’t think his views on the Sons have changed. It might
look like his views on the Sons have changed because of where the line
is being softened but if he wasn’t being manipulated it would still be
the same thing. If the Sons … doing drugs, there’s no drugs in his town.
The Sons are trafficking guns and he knows about it. He’ll police that
way. But I don’t think his view of the Sons is changing. I think his
view of the situation is changing because he’s being manipulated.
E. Lutz Okay and my last question is that we’ve seen mention how ‘Eli’
is experienced with dealing with gangs and we all know what happened in
the last year in Charming, so can you tell us what do you, in your
opinion, think he’s trying to do differently not to fall into the same
situation?
R. Dunbar I don’t think he’s doing anything differently. He’s being
himself. He’s absolutely just doing what he does best and trying to put
it into place in the situation where everyone is treated the same, but,
again, that manipulation is being turned over. But outside of that I can
tell you this; I started off when I came into the office to speak to
Kurt about the character and what he wanted to do with the character.
Initially our first conversation was, “Hey, look man, we’re going to
bring you in for a ten episode arc. You’re going to die. It’s going to
be great. I don’t know what your demise is going to be but of course
it’s going to be brutal because you know our show.” And that was my
contract. That’s what I knew my contract to be. I signed up for it at
the very beginning. But once the tenth episode came then that changed so
I don’t know what’s going to happen with the character. I have no idea
if—well, the way it’s being set up now there will be some type of
continuation but I don’t die so that’s one good thing. But we’ll see.
Moderator We have a question from the line of Catherine Burke with
PopCulture.com.
C. Burke It says that you’ve also written, produced, and directed
numerous projects. I was wondering what attributes or what do you admire
about the writers and the staff for Sons of Anarchy?
R. Dunbar The challenges that they put themselves in. I love writers
that paint themselves into a corner and don’t know where they’re going
to go next. It's easy to do a procedural show and say, “Okay. Well,
we’re going to tackle this criminal activity and we already know what
the scenario’s going to be.” But when you paint yourself into a corner,
and you don’t know where you’re going to go, you don’t know how you’re
going to get out of it but you know you have to because you have to have
another episode because you’ve been picked up for 13 or 22 or whatever
the case may be, that’s the type of challenges that I love.
And I think these writers do a really great job of that, of challenging
themselves to take it to the next level and the dialog is crisp and the
characters all speak differently, but the words are easy enough on the
tongue. Because sometimes a writer … so much and try to get all the
exposition out where it becomes boring and the actors feel like models
but you never feel like that on this show. You’re telling a story but
also you’re not just saying it with the words you’re actually showing
people what’s going on and what’s happening. And I think that’s good
writing when you can show and not tell. But that’s one of the attributes
of the writer and the staff and Kurt that I absolutely love. They paint
themselves into a corner, you don’t know how they’re going to get out of
it, but you know they have to.
C. Burke Since portraying ‘Eli’ on the show, how have your perceptions
changed or even possibly cultivated about motorcycle gangs?
R. Dunbar I have family members that were in the first Black Harley
motorcycle gang, The East Bay Dragons, so I grew up with a healthy
perception of motorcycle gangs. And I’m from Oakland, California so that
says it all right there. It’s family. It’s strong hardcore family, so my
perception has never changed. I have two huge dragons tattooed on my
forearms for a reason and I’ve always had an affinity for the family
aspect of motorcycle organizations and I always will.
Moderator A question from the line of Megan Masters with TVLine.
M. Masters So we’ve kind of seen in recent episodes that ‘Eli’ seems to
genuinely want to help this ‘Tara’ situation. He’s aware that there was
a hit put out on her and next week we know that kind of comes to
fruition so how does that kind of develop moving forward towards the end
of the season? Does he become more involved in helping her? Is he
involved in that kind of storyline at all?
R. Dunbar That’s hilarious. He becomes a little bit more involved just
because it’s happening in his town and it’s a situation that shouldn’t
be tolerated. You know any threat on anyone’s life is very serious and
he’s taking it that way. So yes, you’ll definitely see more of that
storyline developed and hopefully not come to a close by the end of the
season because I think it’s really interesting.
M. Masters And then ‘Eli’ also seems to be feeling bad for the situation
that ‘Juice’ is now in and it seems that maybe he’s going to try to help
in a little bit as opposed to just sticking on the side of ‘Potter.’ So
are we going to see more a pairing between those two moving forward?
R. Dunbar I don’t think you’ll ever see a pairing because there is a
hard line between criminal and law enforcement and that line will never
bleed over, I don’t think. It hasn’t so far. But I think my character
definitely has sympathy towards ‘Juice’ because not only am I being
manipulated but he’s being manipulated and that’s just not good policing
to ‘Eli.’ It’s not one’s not fair or it’s interesting. It’s just not
right, and he constantly wants to be on the right side of the law. So
pairing up with him and becoming partners and doing something that is
illegal, I doubt that will happen. I think we’ve seen that character
already so I don’t think that we’re going to see that character again.
It’s so much more interesting with my character actually working against
the Sons but having a hard line of like how he’s going to do it.
Moderator We have a question from the line of Lance Carter with Daily
Actor.
L. Carter So when Terriers was unfortunately cancelled did you
immediately start looking for another job, and when you do, do you look
for a character that’s completely different from what you just did?
R. Dunbar You know it’s kind of hard. It’s always—I don’t think that
there are so many jobs out there for actors, especially African American
actors, where we can pick and choose what we want to do so you kind of
have to be in a position where that next job—I’m always looking for that
next job. I mean just from the Sons of Anarchy I’m rolling into another
television series, The Game on BET. I’m doing like eight episodes of
that show, and I wasn’t looking for the next job but now I’m starting to
get in the position where I’m getting offers, like Sons of Anarchy was
an offer.
I didn’t—I always try to create—You know I have a small production
company so I try to create my own type of characters that I want to do.
So I don’t think I necessarily have had the choice to look for a
specific character. It just depends on what the job market is like and
what comes across the table.
L. Carter What’s your advice to actors?
R. Dunbar Tenacity. You just really, really stay ready, stay focused,
and learn as much as you possibly can and do—if you want to be in this
business do it for the right reasons. Don’t be in it because you want to
be a celebrity. Be in it because you really love the work and the work
keeps you up at night and it keeps you motivated and wakes you up early
in the morning because you have ideas and things of that nature, and
never get in to it because you want to do it for money. Have that
passion in your heart where you would do it for free just because you
absolutely love it, and if you just want to do it because you want to be
famous then go do reality TV.
Moderator We go to Tom Wilson with Simply TV.
T. Wilson I wanted to ask—do you like motor biking when you’re not
working?
R. Dunbar One more time?
T. Wilson Do you like motor biking at all or is it—?
R. Dunbar No. I’ve actually learned on Soul Food, the television series
I did on Showtime. I learned how to ride a Harley on that show, and then
every time I went to go take classes on how to learn, get my license and
everything, I started working so I never really have the downtime to
learn properly and go through the right channels. But now I’m at the age
where kind of getting on a motorcycle is probably not the best idea. I’m
38 now so kind of hopping on a motorcycle is probably not to smart. I
think I’m going to stick to four wheels or maybe three.
T. Wilson Do you have any other projects coming up when Sons of Anarchy
finishes?
R. Dunbar Yes. Sons of Anarchy just wrapped. I directed a PSA with KiKi
Palmer and the YWCA for anti-bullying, so you’ll see that coming out
fairly soon. I just directed a pilot presentation called … I have a
pilot that’s circulating right now that my producer partner and I wrote
for myself, a buddy cop show. I have two films that we just got
distribution for that I’ll be directing at the top of the year, and I
just got an offer to direct a …, which looks like the second quarter of
next year are going to put that together, which is really, really
interesting. I can’t wait until I can start talking about it. It’s such
a game changer for me.
I directed a film called Pastor Brown three years ago. We got 18 offers
for distribution; three of those offers were international. We finally
settled on ARC Entertainment. They’re going to do distribution for the
movie, theatrical release, thank God. And it looks like that will come
out somewhere around Easter of next year. We just had like a two year
lawsuit on the film and we finally got it back so now that will come out
and that’s my directorial. Great, great film. Very spiritually
uplifting. Really good feeling film. Sallie Richardson and Nicole Ari
Parker, Keith David, Ernie Hudson, Tisha Campbell, Tasha Smith, Michael
B., Michael B. Jordon, Creflo Dollar, Angie Stone Monica to name a few,
all in the film.
And I just signed on yesterday to do six to eight episodes of The Game,
which is on BET. I’m playing a character that actually—I did one
episode. I was a character called ‘Pookie’ from Richmond, and a very …
character and very fun. So I’m going back to Atlanta next week and I’ll
start working on that while I’m prepping these other two independent
films that I’ll start directing I’m sure.
Moderator We have a question from the line of Diane Morasco with Morasco
Media.
D. Morasco Now, my question is if you were to sit down with anyone past
or present who would it by and what would you be talking about?
R. Dunbar Wow, definitely Jimmy Hendricks and—well, let’s just start
with Jimmy Hendricks. That’s a lot. Creative process, opening up and
just speaking on creative process and how to stay focused, true, and be
within the moment, just wanting to speak on his process. That would just
be top of the line for me. Who else? I would say—let’s stick with that.
That’s a lot. That’s heavy. That’s a long conversation. That’s a six
month conversation.
D. Morasco What advice would you give your 18-year-old self?
R. Dunbar Be patient. Always be kind. Stand in the middle of the river.
Just be prepared. It will all come. Don’t be in such a rush and give
yourself room to make mistakes because you’re human. We’ve got to make
mistakes and allow yourself to make those mistakes because it only gives
growth.
D. Morasco My next question to you would be, basically if you had a
chance to write the character of ‘Eli’ what characteristic would you
give him that’s not there yet?
R. Dunbar That’s a really good question because I always go towards
conflict and imbalance and what type of conflict or imbalance or
internal demon that he has that needs to be suppressed in order for him
to do his work. And I wouldn’t immediately lean towards drugs or some
type of mental illness because it’s been done so many times and I don’t
think it’s necessarily that interesting. But what type of conflict would
I give him and I think is interesting to play and could get some mileage
out of it? I think it definitely would have to be a passion geared
towards maybe his career and the balance of trying to figure out how to
really function within his career but also—I don’t know. I would have to
think about that but it would definitely be a conflict. It would be some
type of conflict and imbalance within his personality.
D. Morasco Okay and you know what I was kind of hoping for a little
twist even that there could have been some kind of connection between
‘Eli’ and ‘Juice’ given the fact that they both share being African
American. I was hoping that there would be a twist like you know a
family member. Like if that were the case how do you think that would
change things for ‘Eli’ if he found out that he was related to ‘Juice’?
R. Dunbar I don’t know. I would love to see you write that and play that
out. That would be interesting. That would be something but you know in
some relation form shape and down the lineage, the line, I’m sure he is
related.
D. Morasco Yes and my last question what makes Rockmond laugh? I mean
really laugh in your core.
R. Dunbar I love dark humor. I have a … sense of humor. I love things
that are so grounded in life but just happen to be just a little bit
twisted. My sense of humor is a little bit twisted. I love jokes that
just don’t—that shouldn’t be funny but kind of are so those types of
things just really makes me laugh. Anything that’s like really grounded
in humanity and just are so real but happen to be faux pas or just
really shouldn’t be funny I kind of like it.
K. Silvernail We have time for one more question.
Moderator Our last question is from the line of Melissa Girimonte with
TheTelevixen.com.
M. Girimonte What a strong stand following Sons of Anarchy has and
obviously most of the fans are going to be fighting with the MC on the
series. Have you had any specific feedback on your character from the
fans or any encounters with the fans so far?
R. Dunbar Yeah. You know it’s really interesting because I already had a
fan base from Prison Break and a small movie that I did called … and so
my audience that I brought actually to the show is it’s really
interesting and new. A lot of people from my Twitter and also from
Facebook love the character. The people that love to hate him. There’s
people that are like more fans of—a fan club from the very beginning and
they were like, “You’ve got to die in the next episode. There’s no way.”
But then you start to love to hate him and it’s really interesting how
the character is starting to take new legs and the original fans of the
show are—even though they love the MC they’re really kind of pulling for
my character too at the same time. So it’s been really nice. I think
that is just all in the hands of the writers. They created a really
great character and I’m trying my best to keep up with them.
K. Silvernail Well, thanks, again, to everybody for participating today.
As a reminder, Sons of Anarchy airs Tuesday nights at 10:00 p.m. Eastern
and Pacific. I hope everybody has a great day. Thanks again for
everything, Rockmond. Everybody can disconnect.
R. Dunbar Okay. Bye-bye.
Moderator Thank you. This concludes our conference. You may disconnect.
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