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Interview with Aaron Ashmore and Saul
Rubinek of "Warehouse 13" on
I missed this call, which is too bad... these guys are
always fun and entertaining. I'll miss speaking to them, and
also the great show! I hope you enjoy reading this as much
as I did.
Moderator: Gary Morgenstein
April 16, 2014
1:00 pm CT
Operator: Ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for standing by.
Welcome to the Warehouse 13 Press Call.
Gary Morgenstein: Welcome everyone to the Warehouse 13 Press
Call. Weíre delighted to have star Saul Rubinek and Aaron
Ashmore talk about the Final Six Episodes of the popular
series, which airs on Syfy on the Mondays at 9:00 pm ET.
Welcome Saul and Aaron.
Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, to ask a question, please
press the 1 followed by the 4 on your telephone. And the
first question comes from the line of Jamie Ruby from
SciFivision.com. Please go ahead.
Jamie Ruby: Hi guys. Great to talk to you again.
Aaron Ashmore: Jamie Ruby. How are you?
Jamie Ruby: So, good. So, can you both talk about ĎSavage
Seduction?í I know you both were in kind of different parts
of the episode, but that was definitely my favorite of the
So can you talk about working on that?
Saul Rubinek: I donít which one? The title is meaningless to
me. Which number?
Jamie Ruby: Oh, sorry. The Tela Novella, the Spanish one.
Saul Rubinek: Oh, I know what youíre talking about. Yeah, we
were two completely different episodes there in a way,
Ďcause there - Aaron and I go by each other throughout the
whole shoot of that. Go ahead Aaron, you go first then and
do your thing.
Aaron Ashmore: Well, yeah, I remember I was - it was a
little bit daunting, because I was going to be playing two
versions of Steve and two very different versions of Steve,
so I - it was definitely challenging.
Originally, I think they were hoping to get my brother, so
that he could be able to play both roles, but you know, him
play one and me play the other, but just the timing and
stuff didnít work out.
So that didnít happen. But again, it was a lot of fun. It
was worth the exercise to me to explore the incredibly
flamboyant gay side of Steve that we donít really get to
see, but obviously, itís deep down there somewhere.
So it was a ton of fun and difficult at the same time to be
switching back and forth between serious and flamboyant
Steve with just a momentís notice, to kind of flip back and
So it was a challenge but we had a lot of fun and Iíve
actually - I have not actually seen that episode, but Iím
looking forward to it, because Iíd really like to see what -
how everything turned out and the effects of me being on the
screen at the same time.
But Iím also very curious to see how the Telenovela went,
because if itís a read through, everybody was just
absolutely rolling, it was so funny. So I canít imagine when
everybodyís in costume and that to see how that turned out
So yeah, thatís the one episode that Iím really, really
looking forward to as well.
Saul Rubinek: I also imagine that on your side of the
episode, that Allison had a lot of trouble of keeping a
straight face at any particular moment with you.
Aaron Ashmore: I think it was actually Allisonís - that was
like Allisonís dream to have you be super, super gay and
flamboyant, I think she enjoyed it probably more than
anybody for sure.
Saul Rubinek: Yeah, I have a feeling she cracked up on the
whole thing. We had a great time. I havenít seen it either.
I mean, I saw a little bit when I was looping it and I know
that we laughed probably harder doing the Telenovela than
anything during the whole five seasons than weíd ever done.
And learning the Spanish phonetically - we had a Spanish
coach, Ďcause Iím not - Iím pretty fluent in French, but and
I have a pretty good ear, but you know, Spanish is not one
of the languages I was speaking, but by in German too, but
Spanish not so much.
And although I have played a producer of a Telenovela on a
very funny Psych episode about - oh probably about five
years ago and that was really a lot of fun.
And so I had that kind of melody in my ear and you know, I
was playing, El Colonel and going back and forth between
Artie and El Colonel and we came up with - as youíve seen
it, so we came up with kind a hilarious look for everybody
for basically - it was just - you know what it was, it was
Jack was there with us at every step of the way.
We have had the Spanish coach. Weíd gotten through it, you
know, we you know, we had to do takes, Ďcause we had to get
through the Spanish in one go.
And also, Kelly was there. Who was there? Paula Garces was
there, so she speaks Spanish and is fluent in Spanish so she
helped us a lot. And Cindy Braga, right was there, so she
was - she helped and we had a great cast and all I can say,
is that I donít think Iíve ever laughed so hard, and you
know, ever shooting anything.
And you know, itís hard to tell when youíre laughing so
hard. Sometimes, you know, the crew and you are laughing so
hard and then the show comes out, and you go, ďYeah, it
wasnít that funny. It was funny as we were shooting itĒ, so
Iím hoping that the laughter translates. Iím glad to hear
you liked it.
Jamie Ruby: Yeah, I was almost crying through half of it
laughing so hard. I really, really enjoyed it.
Thanks a lot guys.
Operator: Thank you. And the next question comes from the
line of Tony Tellado from Scifi Talk. Please go ahead.
Tony Tellado: Gentlemen, what a pleasure. The particular
episode was, I have to say, hysterical. My mother watches
them to this day, so it really hit home for me. It was
really cool. As far as, whatís left for the season, are
there are going to be - is it going to be a mix of light or
happy episodes or and - light and darker episode, that are
coming up? Can you tease us a little bit, as to what kind of
direction is going to happen in the rest of the episodes?
Saul Rubinek: Go ahead.
Aaron Ashmore: Well I think, like most of the show and I
think what makes the show great, is that itís a little bit
of all of that in every episode. I mean, the humorís always
there. Thereís definitely some, you know, some things that
need to be resolved amongst some of the characters,
particularly some things with Claudia and her sister and
Artie - Artieís involved in - what that.
So I mean, that stuffís a little bit sort of heavier dealing
with all that stuff, but thereís always the humor. Thereís
always light details even in funny pieces, even in the most
So, I think thereís all of that, do you know what I mean?
And I think that thereís a lot of - you know, thereís a lot
of weight to these last couple of episodes, because weíre
ramping up the show, but that being said, itís always fun.
Saul Rubinek: Yeah, I think I can echo that. We started off
knowing that we were finishing a lot of people doing -
series donít have the luxury of that. They are cut off at
the knees and so are the fans, by whatever financial
ratings, reasons cut people down.
And Syfy Network fought really hard for us to be able to
have a proper closing. I know that Mark Stern really fought
hard for us and some of the folks at NBC Universal too, it
was a difficult decision.
Sufiís going in a different direction, as you can tell by
the shows that theyíve got and whatever, you know, financial
ratings, reasons closed us down, we didnít want to let our
sadness creep into it, except in the most creative way
And I have to credit Jack Kenny and the writers as usual,
although not so much as usual as especially in this
particular case, for keeping the spirit alive for us.
We felt very grateful that weíve had five great years of
doing the show and our fans are wonderful and have been
incredibly supportive as you guys doing interviews with us
and writing about us have been.
Iíve never had that experience. I spent a couple of years
being a recurring character on Frazier, but in my whole
career, Iíve never done a series, you know, that I started
with and ended with, so itís new for me after all these
years of being on television.
And the whole experience was new. I hadnít expected in my
career ever to have such a wonderful time for so long being
one character. I would have thought that that could get
dull, but given the kind of writing and my costars, it was
all in all certainly at the high end of the top of my
And the kind of shows that we did really as Aaron was
saying, you know, we didnít try to change the formula or the
writerís didnít. There was, of course, the feeling that the
show was going to have to wrap up and they do it in a rather
typically Warehouse poignant, hilarious odd peculiar and
So, you know, youíre going to get your trademark Warehouse
ending, but I think it will be a satisfying to fans as it
was to the cast.
Tony Tellado: Oh thatís great. I - this is a very special
show, you know, the mix of Jack, the writers and yourselves
made it very special. What legacy would you like Warehouse
13 to leave after its last episode?
Saul Rubinek: A lot of residuals. Right Aaron? Thereís a...
Aaron Ashmore: I donít know if thatíll happen.
Saul Rubinek: No, I tell you what I think, you know, a lot of
shows get discovered by a larger audience later on, and you
know, Netflix is part of the life of our show now, and I can
say this, weíre - we were all really proud of the fact that
it was a family show.
We all felt that we shouldnít have been on at 10:00 in our
fourth season and that was just unfortunate, however it was
planned. We were never a 10:00 show, so more people were
going to view the RS and see us later.
But weíre probably an 8:00 show, even though we were at 9.
We were a family show. You could be 10 years old or 90 years
old and get something out of this show. And that was - very
few one hour shows, very few that the whole family can watch
and feel that theyíre getting something.
Aaron Ashmore: Yeah.
Saul Rubinek: And weíre really proud of that. And I think
that there are a lot of families out there as the years go
on, that will discover that theyíve got a great funny
interesting show that the whole family can watch.
And if that happens years - in the next number of years,
thatíll feel great to me.
Aaron Ashmore: Thatís a great answer, Saul. I sort of feel
the same. I mean, I felt incredibly blessed to be part of
the show, but you know sometimes when you get away from it,
you get even more prospective from it.
And I felt so lucky and just happy and like now that, the
new seasonís airing, just watching it being away from all
you guys and really not - that weíre not, you know, coming
back to do another season, I was so happy to see those
characters and all you guyís faces and stuff.
And I think that thatís what you know, what I hope everybody
is feeling as well, is just happy to see us. And again, yeah
Netflix and all these other places and ways that shows can
stay alive, whereas before, if - when they went off the air,
theyíre kind of gone.
And I think the fan base is a loyal and the show is so full
of, you know, adventure and history and all these things,
that I think it is a show thatís really rewatchable.
So hopefully people will continue to rewatch it and also new
people will tune in on Netflix and keep it alive, because I
think - yeah I just think it has a place that it will stay
alive in that way.
Tony Tellado: I agree, gentlemen; Iíve actually started
watching it from the beginning on Netflix and itís awesome.
Iím laughing all over again and crying all over again.
Saul Rubinek: Oh right. Thank you.
Tony Tellado: Yeah, itís great to do that. Thank you
gentlemen and thank you for the wonderful job youíve done.
Saul Rubinek: Thank you.
Operator: Thank you and the next question comes from the
line of Jamie Steinberg from Starry Constellation Magazine.
Please go ahead.
Jamie Steinberg: Hi. Thanks so much for talking with us.
Aaron Ashmore: Sure, my pleasure.
Jamie Steinberg: I was wondering, what were some of the
mementos you took with you after you finished filming the
Aaron Ashmore: Everything we could get our hands on.
Saul Rubinek: Weíre just being hilarious. We just steal
Aaron Ashmore: I didnít get a ton of stuff.
Saul Rubinek: Eddie got it.
Aaron Ashmore: Yeah, Eddie, I think, yeah he was - yeah he
definitely got a lot of really, really cool stuff. I got the
metronome that kept me - that kept - that brought me back to
life, which I really - it was one of the artifacts that I
really had a personal connection with like story wise, so I
think that was really cool for me.
And I also - I have a collection of all my seat backs for
the Directorís Chairs for all of the shows that Iíve ever
done, so I made sure that I grabbed that, because itís just
a funny collection. I donít have it on display, but I just
have a nice collection of all the shows my name and then
with the showís name on it.
So Iíve got those few things, and that to me, was sort of
the important stuff that I really wanted. I also got a
killer wardrobe, you know, all the shows, all the clothes
that I wore over the three seasons, they gave us a lot of
options for stuff that we would wear.
And a lot of it was really nice, so I - so now sometimes
when I walk down the street, I see like if somebody
recognizes me from Warehouse, or theyíre like, ďHeís dressed
exactly like Steve doesĒ.
Saul Rubinek: Thatís so funny. Thatís funny. Oh well the
glasses - Artieís glasses were the glasses that I wore for
my screen test. I brought them to the show. Theyíre very
hard to find. Theyíre made in Germany, so I got my glasses
back, so let me put that. I like that.
Like also, I took very few things, almost nothing. I took
some wardrobe stuff, which I - Joanne Nelson had made stuff
for me that it was very loose and comfortable stuff and
different shirts that - you know, I would wear normally, so
I like that.
And Iím - but as far as, you know, actual objects are
concerned, the one that - I got a birthday present on July
2nd when it was my birthday. They just stopped the take
right in the middle and I thought Iíd done something wrong
and it was - it turned out to be, you know, a cake and stuff
that Jack had arranged.
And I got as a present one of (Frank Decotis)í, our
brilliant Direction Designers drawings, original drawings of
Artieís office, so that meant a lot to me. It really touched
me and I think that itís, because you know, the truth is for
me, the memories are my artifacts.
You know, are the things that are most important to me, and
you know, theyíre - I might have wanted that Steampunk
keyboard, you know, that they had, but that was very
expensive and NBC Universal took that before I could get my
hands on it.
Aaron Ashmore: Actually Eddie got it. I think Eddie got it.
Eddie got to...
Saul Rubinek: He got it all. Itís all on eBay and you know, I
have no idea. But really, I donít have anything. I didnít
take anything. I have that wonderful gift that I got from
Jack Kenny, El (Franco Decotis)í drawing of Artieís office
and that brings back a lot of memories.
And Iíve got the shows to look at, you know, and Iíve got
enough tchotchke in my life I think.
I miss Artieís office.
Aaron Ashmore: Yeah. Thatís the one place that I really
miss, like itís a set. Like everything was great, but that
was such a...
Saul Rubinek: That was extraordinary.
Aaron Ashmore: Absolutely meaning. It felt like home sort
of, you know, you spend a lot of time in there, you kind of
feel comfortable on home...
Saul Rubinek: Well, it was also the first time, I think, they
were on set was in Artieís office the very first...
Aaron Ashmore: Yeah, for sure. Yeah.
Saul Rubinek: The thing you had to do was in Artieís office
and it was one of those things that happened to both Aaron
and to Allison, which was they had to come - well Aaronís
much more difficult in a way, Ďcause with Allison weíd only
shot a pilot and three episodes, I think.
And Allison came on in episode four, but Aaron came in
Season 3, I think it was. Right Aaron and it was...
Aaron Ashmore: Yeah, Season 3.
Saul Rubinek: And it was, you know, coming into a group that
had already been performing for years together. We had our
own rhythm and it - for any actor. I donít care who it is,
itís a nerve racking experience, but the truth is, that you
know, and it happened very fast for Aaron, after meeting
Jack Kenny and suddenly he was cast.
And he came into a situation and we were very happy to have
him, but the truth is, that it wouldnít have worked if Aaron
hadnít - had this ability to tightrope walk, Ďcause - and be
a goof ball and serious at a momentís notice.
And that was the great thing. Wasnít it Aaron? Wasnít the
most fun that we had a - a show ran around the set most of
the time and if you didnít like - like something didnít feel
right in your mouth, he would change it and that we could
laugh and goof around and then weíd have to be serious the
So we were doing a really (aromody), whatever Jack called
it, and it was a thriller, a comedy and a drama all at the
same time, all in the same scene and Aaron had the very
tricky job of fitting right in, which he did.
And it happened in Artieís office and I could imagine it
felt like home to you. It was a magical cast, a magical
cast. Very hard to find that kind of chemistry that we all
just happened to have. Itís a - itís true.
Even Aaronís done...
Aaron Ashmore: A little bit of magic.
Saul Rubinek: ...and it happened. Yeah, just the way it is. I
mean, people said, ďYou guys look like youíre having a lot
of fun on that show, well did youĒ. And we just say yes. We
couldnít say yes, you know, couldnít fake it and laugh all
day long, you know.
Jamie Steinberg: Iím thinking understatement. Thank you guys
Saul Rubinek: Sure.
Aaron Ashmore: Thank you.
Operator: Thank you and the next question comes from the
line of Joshua Maloni from WNYPapers.com. Please go ahead.
Joshua Maloni: Hey guys. Thanks for your time. Appreciate
Aaron Ashmore: Sure.
Saul Rubinek: No problem Joshua.
Joshua Maloni: So, I guess, youíve touched on this already,
but maybe Iím looking for maybe a little bit more specific
answer. You guys obviously made a very successful Syfy show,
a show that like you said, was appropriate for families and
for people of all ages.
You had a great cast. You had really cool guest stars. All
of them told us that they loved coming and working with you
guys. So is there sort of one big takeaway that you take
from this experience?
Aaron Ashmore: Go ahead.
A big takeaway from the experience. I - it sounds funny and
again, itís over the year of like sort of thinking about all
of the experiences and having a little bit of distance, but
I think I found myself in a lot of ways as an actor, like a
different sort of confidence and a different level of, you
know, something along that line, that I got thrown into this
thing and I wasnít sure how I was going to fit in.
And then you just joined this sort of family and youíre
working together and youíre trying new things and youíre
pushing things and sometimes itís working and sometimes itís
not, but we fix it.
And so for me as a performer, as an actor, this show tested
all those things and I came out at the other end of it
feeling very confident and very good.
And you know, and that happened because of all these amazing
people. You know, like I didnít do that by myself. I mean,
you get the support and you get the challenges and that
thrown at you.
And so for me looking back, I - where else can you get a
learning experience and thereís some of the most amazing
performers and creative people that Iíve ever worked with
and you move onto other things and you start to think, well
Dan did I - you know, I knew I had it good, but you - I
didnít know how good I had, until you start moving onto
And you really start to miss that stuff. So, for me, yeah I
just takeaway a lot of just appreciation for the three years
that I had and that might be a bit of rambling answer, but
thatís sort of - itís a tough question..
So I think thatís what I take away from it in a nutshell.
Saul Rubinek: Thatís well said. Itís well said, you donít
know what you have until you, you know, let it go and youíre
not going - thereís a - you know, I start - when did I first
do my first television show? In Toronto probably in 1976,
maybe, you know.
So, thatís a long time ago and Iíve done - worked with a lot
of different directors in a lot of different series, but
Iíve never had a series that I was a regular on, except
maybe eight, ten episodes of the series called Men for ABC
back in 1988 and that was really an interesting experience.
But that was it, you know, itís just half a season, or
whatever we did. So this is unique for me in my entire
career. So there a number of challenges involved.
There are creative ones and there are also career
challenges, in the sense that, you have to find a way
creatively to keep it alive and you want it not fall back on
tricks and when youíve got great people working around you,
like I was lucky enough to have them, you have to keep on
The bar gets set high, because the writing is - demands
acrobatics and tightrope walking from one genre to the
other, sometimes and very often within the same scene, so
you had to have grace and alacrity. It was demanded of you.
What was really - the biggest thing that I learned, since
Iím also a writer, and in fact, Jack Kenny and I are working
on two projects together. Itís a potential television
series, is I learned a tremendous amount from watching Jack
Hereís a guy who started right after the pilot. He came
onboard when we started doing the show after the pilot and
stayed on Ďtil the very end.
Insisted on certain things that made the show great, that I
wouldnít have understood if I hadnít been working with the
show runner of such high caliber and such good humor, grace,
and the ability to both be a father figure for his writers
and a leader and a father figure for us as actors on the
So, things that I didnít understand are very practical
things that your very sophisticated fans now understand, as
Iíve gone around to conventions, I see how sophisticated and
knowledge people are, about how the industry works, so an
answer like mine might not seem out of place, even though it
might be a bit technical is that...
Jack insisted with NBC Universal and Syfy that he hire his
writers early. Why that made a big difference, is they could
break stories and get the scripts - a number of scripts
When he got a number of scripts ahead, that meant Jack could
travel from Los Angeles, where the writerís room is, where
10 to 12 writers are working together and travel 3000 miles
to Toronto and be on the set with us.
Why is that important? Well, if you talk to most actors who
are doing television series, far distant whether itís in
Texas or in, you know, in Atlanta or wherever theyíre doing
shows in Vancouver, far away from where the writers are.
If the Head Writer is 3000 miles away, thereís a time
difference that makes things difficult if something happens
on the set, the Directors and the Producers that are working
at far distance, say, ďJust, you know, do it as writtenĒ,
and they have to keep that general rule in play, because
chaos might reign, although one actor may be really good at
changing things, if an actor who is not good at changing
things sees that one actor changing things, they may also
Itís much easier to have a general sense of rule. And actors
on a series get very frustrated when those edicts come from
afar. Itís all done with the best of intentions and trying
to keep the show of a certain quality, but what creeps into
a show, is a certain amount of disgruntledness from a cast,
when they donít feel that theyíre being heard and itís
usually a question of time distance, time and distance, not
because people are, you know, totalitarian in nature.
And here we are, because of Jackís particular brilliance and
the way he was able to fight and to support that he got from
both the studio and the network, that because shows were
broken early, he was able to be on the set with us for over
70% of the time, which meant that he could see as things
were developing in the blocking, that it wasnít quite as was
imagined in the Writerís Room.
The actors were bringing some goofy stuff to the table or
serious stuff or a poignant moment here or there and he
would rewrite on the spot. And as a result, we felt
collaboratively we were blessed.
The reason, one of the reasons the guest stars wanted to
come back, we were all reasonably nice, but thatís true, but
a lot of shows have reasonably nice people.
Itís that they felt you could collaborate. They felt our joy
of being on the set with the Head Writer there in the flesh
and things changed on the spot, sometimes improvisationally.
That creative collaboration, which is not simply a result of
will, but a result absolutely of planning and dollars
support from the network and the studio, so the writers have
more time to write, which costs more, which allowed that to
happen on the set, created an atmosphere that gave the fans
what they got.
That was the thing I learned and something Iíd never
experienced before and difficult to repeat unless you have
somebody of Jackís caliber and that kind of support.
Joshua Maloni: All right guys. I appreciate it.
Saul Rubinek: No problem.
Operator: Thank you. The next question comes from the line
of Theresa Argie from the Americaís Most Haunted. Please go
Theresa Argie: Iím sorry to see the show go. Iím a huge fan
and itís been very enjoyable to watch as a family with my
family and weíre all going to miss it very much.
But regarding the show, of all the episodes that have passed
in the years, which do your characters feel each of you
would have been the most important or dangerous artifact
that is stored in the warehouse?
Saul Rubinek: Well, I donít know to be honest, I mean. It
seemed like they all were just constantly causing problems.
You know, thereís - and I think the idea that in the wrong
personís hand or in the wrong situation, even sort of
innocuous things can cause massive problems.
So, I think the whole general warehouse was a dangerous
thing. And I donít know if I can pick just one out that was
like incredibly dangerous, but they all seemed to cause
Aaron Ashmore: Well, certainly the asteroid for me, because
of what happened to Artie throughout Season 4 and you know,
and the murder that he - that heís responsible for on some
The - he had a very difficult choice to make, which is to
either lose the warehouse or bring it back, but if he brings
it back, he also brings an evil, which turns out to be
So, certainly for me and what I experienced, thereís
arguments to be made about - just about every single one of
those dark and interesting artifacts.
But the asteroid and what the consequences were, certainly
were - was the most dangerous of all the ones that we had
and its consequences that affect - last from the moment it
started right through the whole series.
Theresa Argie: And as a series ends and itís wrapping up,
who will be the final villain, the final foes that the
agents and the regents will be facing?
Saul Rubinek: Now you know better than to ask a question like
that for sure. You know way better than to ask that
Theresa Argie: Well could it be Valda?
Saul Rubinek: Oh sure, weíll tell you, but we wonít tell
anybody else that question. No problem. Thereís not a chance
weíre answering that question.
Theresa Argie: On now, will you be introducing any new
villains or will it be...
Saul Rubinek: Iím not telling you. No, youíre going to have
Theresa Argie: Oh, so...
Saul Rubinek: Youíre very persistent though, very persistent.
Theresa Argie: Yeah.
Saul Rubinek: Youíve got a lot of points for persistence,
yes. You can phrase it a different way, weíll see if I
answer it differently.
Theresa Argie: All right. I give up on that one.
Saul Rubinek: Hereís what you do. Wait, wait, hereís what you
do. Call Eddie McClintock, heíll tell you everything.
Theresa Argie: Heís not going to lie. Letís talk.
So whatís next for the both of you as actors after this? I
know that Saul you said youíre working with Jack Kenny on a
couple of projects. Can you give up the cheese about those
projects or is...
Saul Rubinek: Well, theyíre in the world of comedy.
Theresa Argie: ...there anything...
Saul Rubinek: I mean, a big shock to you right? Theyíre in
that world. And weíre having a lot of fun developing them.
Iím also - my producer and partner and my wife of 23 years,
Elinor Reid and I are working on a project. One of them we
are working together with Jack on.
And Iíve been doing a lot of writing over the last five
years, so I have a number of projects that Iíve been
developing. In fact itís what I was doing right before I
found out about Warehouse 13 looking for an Artie, I was
planning to really limit the number of things that I was
going to act in, not because I donít love acting, I - thatís
not diminished at all, itís that Iíve concentrated over the
last 20 years on writing projects, and different kinds of
And I wanted to spend more time doing that and picking and
choosing what I was going to act in and suddenly Warehouse
came along. It was unexpected.
So I think Iím going back to my original plan, of - now that
Warehouse is over, which is Iím going to be very careful
about the things that I act in.
I just had an amazing time working with the extraordinary
Michael Emerson on a double episode of Person of Interest
and our director, Chris Fisher that worked on Warehouse for
- with us for years, is now the show running director on
that show and worked with an old friend Richard Lewis, who
Iíd worked with in Canada before, and I had a wonderful
I did that in the fall and that was an extraordinary
experience and Iím looking forward to working as a guest
star on different shows if that happens, and picking very
carefully, but mostly Iím concentrating on my writing.
And Aaronís working on a pilot.
Aaron Ashmore: Oh yes, just I shot a pilot, sorry...
Theresa Argie: Go team. Letís hear it.
Aaron Ashmore: Okay, yeah I just finished shooting a pilot
for a show called Agatha. Itís an ABC show and itís sort of
a - well you know, in a very easy to, you know, put out that
sort of thing.
Itís basically Greyís Anatomy but with cops, so itís that
sort of world and it basically centers around a
criminologist, a young criminologist, Agatha, who - Iím
trying to keep this fairly brief, basically she was a
criminal and when she got out of jail at a young age, she
dreamed to be a criminologist and now sheís one of the best
in the country.
But the rub is, is that her dad's a detective and her
brotherís a cop, so thereís kind of a huge riff that
happened, you know, but the fact that she was - you know,
she went to jail and she got into all this trouble.
Saul Rubinek: Are you playing the brother?
Aaron Ashmore: And sheís coming back - whatís that. Yes, and
Iím playing the brother. Yeah, yeah, and now sheís coming
back to Philadelphia to work on a case and sheís got to, you
know, sort all this stuff out with her family and solve this
Saul Rubinek: Whoís the dad? Whoís the girl?
Aaron Ashmore: The dad is an awesome actor by the name of
Saul Rubinek: Oh, I know Clancy. Yeah great.
Aaron Ashmore: Yeah, heís a super nice guy and he plays a
lot of serious roles, but heís actually really funny, so I
And Agatha is an Australian actress by the name of Bojana
Novakovic I think. I hope Iím not butchering her last name.
So yeah, I just shot that a couple of weeks ago, but itís a
pilot and you know, you kind of wait, you do it and you keep
your fingers crossed. And...
You know Jason Alexander who shot the pilot of Warehouse?
Saul Rubinek: Yes, yes, Jason Alexander who shot the pilot
for Warehouse 13 directed it as well. So...
I know Jason.
...I know a lot of connections.
Aaron Ashmore: Yeah, you do, youíre on the ball Saul and Iím
just starting a feature in a couple of days, actually in
about a week. Itís like a psychological thriller based
around sort of a demonic sort of stuff and Ethan Hawke is
playing a lead detective in that and Iím playing a cop that
works with him on this case and also Emma Watson from the
Harry Potter movies is starring in it as well.
So thatís kind of a cool one. And other than that, it was a
slow winter. So just things are starting to get fired up
Saul Rubinek: Good.
Theresa Argie: Excellent, weíll miss you both and good luck
on all of your projects. And you have a real fan. Itís Mr.
Crabs in other words the Mr. Crabs...
Saul Rubinek: Yeah, yeah. Exactly when I heard that, I was
like no way.
Theresa Argie: All right. Well thank you very much for
Saul Rubinek: Sure.
Theresa Argie: ...and we look forward to the final episodes.
Saul Rubinek: Thank you.
Aaron Ashmore: Thank you very much.
Operator: Thank you and the next question comes from the
line of Janice Kay with ScienceFiction.com.
Please go ahead.
Janice Kay: Thank you so much for allowing us to interview
Saul Rubinek: My pleasure. No problem.
Janice Kay: Out of the years that youíve been doing
Warehouse 13, is there any story line that you would want
to, for example, Artieís background or character that wasnít
Saul Rubinek: An extensive sex life would have been fun to
shoot. I have no idea. You know what, I never - it never
really occurred to me to go, ďHey weíre missing something
hereĒ. Itís not the thing thatís in my - in the forefront of
You know, as you asked the question, a number of things
start to - Iíve got to answer this question in some creative
vaguely humorous way. Iíd like to, you know, give her
something, but the truth is, that it doesnít - I would be
forcing an answer, because we have the luxury of these
incredibly imaginative episodes.
And not only were they surprising to us, I mean, we had a
read through, we didnít have a chance really to look much at
the script. We had a read through usually the right - about
five days or four or five days before we shot, so in
shooting the episode, with the director that was so present,
Ďcause he was in crap he would be there, he or she would be
But, as we were doing that, we were always, you know, it was
like what - we couldnít wait to turn the pages. It was
really fun to read those episodes because they were so
surprising and because we all got to play so many different
facets of our character.
There really is not one aspect of Artie, whether it was as a
spy or a child of a Holocaust survivor or his days with his
father, you know, objecting to him leaving Julliard or his
odd love affair with Lindsay Wagnerís character and with it
- and his father, daughter relationship with Claudia, there
were so many different aspects of that character that were
And every once in a while I got to channel Jack Kennyís most
hilarious put downs and sarcastic remarks, he was very, very
funny and really he channeled me and I channeled him and
those, you know, I could tell when it was really - I got a
Jack Kenny line here.
And it was - I really had a, you know, such a variety of fun
playing so many different aspects of the guy. Goofy, I mean,
Iím thinking back to whatever that digital episode was where
I did the whole think in some fruity weird British accent,
and playing some cartoonist character, outrageously to the
being -touching Mata Hariís silk stockings and being some
silly guy in love, ridiculously in love with the wrong
person, to a murderous dark solace character.
You know, there were so many aspects to it and so much fun,
that I canít tell you that I missed anything.
Aaron Ashmore: Yeah, I think that - I feel the same way as
far as television characters go. I think that all these
characters were incredibly well rounded and you know, none
of them were even close to one to mention, which was just so
very, very nice.
But I sometimes wonder, you know, because I liked the comic
character development that they had, how - what could have
been, you know what I mean, if the show is going on, I donít
know where or what more interesting things will come out of
these characters, but I know that there would have been.
So I sometimes think about, you know, where these characters
could have led you even farther, you know, Ďcause it seemed
like the Jack and writers had their fingers on the pulse of
these characters so well, that you know.
I always felt like natural and I always felt interesting,
all the character people - and I felt real, there was never
character pieces that like, I know I disagreed with any sort
of like character stuff, I was never like - I donít know if
I believe his people would do that, it was just so seamless
and fit in like for everybody, I felt like.
Saul Rubinek: I have a feeling that they would have had you
fall in love...
Aaron Ashmore: Yeah.
Saul Rubinek: ...and we would have all - nobody would have
been good enough for you, and we would have been terrified
that you were falling in love with that bastard and it was
Aaron Ashmore: Yeah.
Saul Rubinek: ...was next for you. I know if the show would
have gone on, they would have had you fall...
Aaron Ashmore: Yeah.
Saul Rubinek: ...head over heels for somebody. That would
have been very interesting for...
Aaron Ashmore: Yeah, yeah, that would have been fun to play
and interesting to see. But you know, again we sort of
touched on that a little bit, but the characterís so
interesting, you give the character one little element like
he can tell when anybodyís lying and the consequences to
what a relationship would be or how closed off he would be.
So thereís like this, this is a really interesting thing
that they played into the character, yeah again, if the show
had kept going on and on, we would have gotten a chance to
really dive into all those things.
And but, Iím very happy with everything that we did...
Saul Rubinek: Yeah.
Aaron Ashmore: ...with all these characters.
Saul Rubinek: Yeah.
Janice Kay: Thank you so much. The writers are incredible,
but characters that theyíve given you and how you guys have
played it has been just whatís going on. Itís just so sad to
see the series ended.
But thank so much.
Aaron Ashmore: Okay.
Saul Rubinek: Thank you.
Aaron Ashmore: Thank you.
Operator: Thank you and the next question comes from the
line of Kelly Harkin from Good to Be Geek.com. Please go
Kelly Harkin: Hi guys. Thanks for five wonderful years.
Aaron Ashmore: Thank you I think.
Kelly Harkin: Partially Aaron I have one question for you
that kind of a lot of fans have kind of wondered about, is
with feasibilities and with beef hunches, if Syfy had their
show alphas, we always kind of wondered whether they were
trying to tie the Warehouse 13 with the Alphas Universe
Did you ever get a sense of that?
Aaron Ashmore: No, I mean, I definitely heard some people
mention that and I think even Eddie and I or you know, there
was some sort of joke that, you know, maybe the Warehouse
crew would just be like getting off an elevator as they were
- as some - these other guys were doing their show, weíre
kind of through it, and it wouldnít even be explained.
We would just be there or something, and itís like, maybe we
are in the same universe, but I mean, I think that the tones
of the show, theyíre so different, that I would say that the
universe that they were in were so different as well.
But, obviously thereís a similarity in that sense, you know,
sort of with the showers.
Saul Rubinek: Theyíre running Vanessa, Lindsay Wagnerís
character as her - in her role as working for the Center for
Aaron Ashmore: You - absolutely. I didnít even think about
that, so there you go. So it was the same universe.
Saul Rubinek: Yeah.
Kelly Harkin: Yeah, and we always kind of wondered if you
were going to go further with that.
Saul Rubinek: Well they would have if the show would have
continued. I think that they would have tried. You know,
hereís the thing thatís really tricky. Alphas was not
particularly a funny show and it was...
Aaron Ashmore: Yeah.
Saul Rubinek: ...very serious compared to us. So, it would
have been harder. Thatís why Eureka blended so well and why
Allison and you know, Caseyís character were able to come
back and forth to our show, because the humor was close on
some of those two shows, was similar.
And it was a much more easy universe to marry.
Kelly Harkin: Yeah, I can definitely see that. Now, we - as
we touched on the stories and things like that, what - when
you look at all the characters, what characters do you think
had the biggest growth throughout this time?
Saul Rubinek: There wasnít one character that you could
mention that didnít. I mean, I better go - my question would
be, what character had the least growth? I mean, they all
grew, they all change, even Mrs. Frederic, you know, perhaps
the old - well not perhaps, was the oldest of the
characters, God knows how old she was.
She was probably over 300 years old, we have no idea how old
she is, but and she seemed - you know whatís really funny
about (Susie)ís down to earth, that sheís such a goof ball
in real life, sheís so hilarious and very funny and she was
playing such a straight but serious character, it always
cracked us up.
But you know, I think we touched on this already, the fact
that there was such a great range for all of the characters
that were there, that there was - itís hard to think of what
- who grew more.
I mean, look at the way -you know, youíre going to get some
of your answer about that in about and very quickly in the
last six episodes of this series.
Aaron Ashmore: You know what I - just while you were talking
Saul, I was sort of thinking and you know, I wasnít there
from the beginning from the first season, but even from the
third season, it was like as, as far as kind of growth goes,
and not specifically character growth but that has a big
part of it.
But Allison, like Allison sort of grew up right, even the
Saul Rubinek: Yeah.
Aaron Ashmore: ...three years, so I canít even imagine -
yeah in real life, itís raw, you know, I think I was 28 or
something when I got on the show and I think everybody else
was a little old, but she was very young when she started
and like I say, even from the third year to the fifth year,
I saw such a, you know, a growth and a maturity sort of
happen in her, so thatís kind of an interesting thing, to
kind of have those years and that sort of maturity sort of
happening here on the show.
So I think Allison had a very interesting story.
Saul Rubinek: Thatís definitely true and they wrote to it
and they wrote towards it.
Aaron Ashmore: Yeah. I mean...
Kelly Harkin: Great. Thank you very much guys.
Saul Rubinek: Sure.
Aaron Ashmore: No problem.
Operator: Thank you. Your next question comes from the line
of (Cindy Obaman) from TV Equals. Please go ahead.
Cindy Obaman: Hi guys. Itís so nice to speak with your
Aaron Ashmore: Thank you.
Cindy Obaman: Thank you. My question is, Claudia plays
such a pivotal role in both Artie and Kayís journey
throughout the show and you both had such great chemistry
with Allison. Was there anything - can you talk a little bit
about how those two relationships developed and what it was
like working with Allison over the years?
Saul Rubinek: Go ahead.
Aaron Ashmore: Well, you talk about having good chemistry
with Allison and I sort of feel like itís impossible not to
have good chemistry with Allison. I think anybody would. I
mean, thereís just something about her thatís so - yeah,
just so incredible. Sheís an incredible person, sheís also
an incredible performer.
But I felt really lucky to - when I got into the show,
because I was working with Allison so much, and I need - and
I didnít know, you know, how it was going to work or
whatever, but I think as soon as we started working
together, I felt, okay this is interesting and itís good.
And then I was even more happy to have the fans respond to
it in such a way and really buy and really be invested in
this friendship and I think that thatís what really allowed
you know, me to sort of stick around and - on the show, and
that would - that dynamic in that relationship.
And Allison really embraced that and you know, I was the new
guy and she totally embraced that and allowed me to do my
So yeah, I mean, sheís an - I mean, all around incredible,
an incredibly talented too, right because thereís some
things that she does in this last season, but you know, blew
You know, youíll see it. You wonít miss it. You canít miss
it, but just - it just seems like everything that she does
sheís great at and continually surprising me her talent and
you know, all that stuff.
So yeah, she was great.
Saul Rubinek: She was great with your guys. They did a
really great thing with you guys, because in that car scene
where she thinks youíre coming onto her and sheís kind of
gently says, you know, ďYouíre probably not her typeĒ, and
you say, ďYeah, thatís okay Ďcause Iím gayĒ.
And they - and her embarrassment at that. And what was great
was that theyíd written things into your character that just
happens to be gay. It wasnít a show about Jinks being gay or
a character about being gay, itís just one thing about it.
And he happens to be gay. This is somebody that might happen
to be straight and or happen to be of any - you know, Asian
or whatever and it was an interesting about face that she
has to do.
And she becomes very vulnerable. And she may have even
blushed on screen, Iím not sure. And it was a great moment
of friendship and it built, of course, to - and they were
very cleverly, you know, and they told me early, they were,
Jack said, ďIím going to pull you said, so I want to talk to
you about something.Ē
And I said, ďWhat is it?Ē He said, ďIím going to start
taking Allison away from you. Youíve had her, you know, for
two years and youíve built this beautiful father/daughter
relationship. Sheís growing older and she may not need Artie
as much. She has to grow up in a different way, but Iím
going to kill of Steve Jinks, not for real, but Iím going to
kill him off at the end of the season here, and I need to
create a very close relationship between Allisonís character
and Aaronís character in order for that death to make
I said, ďI got itĒ. So I wasnít - I felt - I didnít feel
robbed of Allison, because he included me in the plan, you
know and why it was happening.
So they crafted a friendship between you and that was right,
this is -weíre dealing with a chemistry that really worked
really well. Theyíre both very, very quick performers Aaron
and Allison. Iíll speak for - now I can speak from the
outside. Theyíre both very versatile. Instantly versatile.
Both have absolutely no Prima Donna aspects to them at all,
but with Eddie and me and Joanne do, at least more than they
And they have - theyíre just - theyíre professionals.
Theyíre really both very nice people in real life and they
got along and were able to do things without any problems
very quickly, very, very quick.
The scenes between were shot quickly, they were done
quickly. They were - it was really, really fun to watch them
work. And that happened also between Allison.
Now Allison came on the show 18 years old. At that point I
had a 17 year old daughter in real life and a 14 year old
son as well, but in real life my daughter very closely in
age for Allison.
Allison came on the show rather nervous as an 18 year old,
having had already worked with Jack Kenny when she was
probably 12 years old or something like that, so he knew her
and she won the role by auditioning.
And when she came on, a very difficult scene, she had to
kidnap Artie. It was a very emotional episode directed by
the brilliant (Steve Surjek) who directed that episode.
We have no idea really, you know, when weíre shooting what
the fans are going to think of the show when the show wasnít
even on the air yet, so we didnít know we were going to be a
hit show yet and we were trying all these things out.
And what happened immediately, and Iím sure Aaron will
corroborate this, is that - and although the age difference
is so big between - it was only 10 years between he and
Allison, but between Allison and I there was over 30 years
and over 35 years and what youíre dealing with, is a
I mean, even though, in real life there was a kind of
father/daughter relationship naturally between us, but on
the set it was a colleague I was dealing with, no age
difference in a way. She was so constantly a professional.
Very quick, very, very easy to work with and collaborative
and I adored her instantly and we quickly found a way to do
shorthand between us.
I mean, one of the things that Jack brought to the table
when he got the job as Show Runner, is he pitched the idea,
which they loved. He said, ďLook, I think you better give
Artie a, you know, a sorcererís apprentice, because
otherwise the poor manís going to be talking to himself, you
know, just itís a lot. Youíve got to give him somebody, you
So he pitched the idea of a character like Allisonís and
they bought and he knew what he wanted to do and Allison and
I then built on that idea, by trading off, all expositional
dialogue and weíd turn it into arguments and Jack would be
right on the set to help us, is part of what I was saying
for another interview, right, now for the fact that Jack was
We would have been really stuck doing it exactly as written
which wouldnít have been as entertaining. We found a way to
create our relationship so having so share an exposition.
And then it got built on again on top of that. And Iím sure
something similar happened between Aaron and Allison when
they were on the set, because they found that, you know,
Jack was there for the most part. They could build on what
was naturally between them.
So, that you know, that happened with all of us in one way
or another on that set and in whatever combination you care
to talk about. But, it was an unusual situation having been
on other sets. Itís not that common for that kind of a close
working relationship to pay off on all levels.
Aaron Ashmore: Yeah, I think the other thing that...
Cindy Obaman: Also...
Aaron Ashmore: ..plays into those relationships like you
said Saul, you know, when you genuinely like somebody and
thereís a friendship there, you know, because youíre working
with people for a long thing, I mean, that - I mean, where
the character is and where your personal stuff, you know,
the line sort of bleeds, so you bring some of your own, you
know, what you might be joking or your energy when youíre
not actually working, but just sitting around and you bring
that into the scene and vice versa.
And when you really get along with people, I think that that
stuff bleeds over, but that becomes very interesting too,
you know, and it forms...
Saul Rubinek: Absolutely.
Aaron Ashmore: ...in what youíre doing and if thatís great.
Thatís where that magic comes from.
Saul Rubinek: And how rare is it that when youíre sitting
around just talking as yourself, that the show runner
happens to be listening and said, ďLetís use that dialogue,
some of that?Ē
Aaron Ashmore: Absolutely yeah. Always listening, always you
know, playing to, you know, to the reality of what all our
Saul Rubinek: Yeah, thatís what as great.
Gary Morgenstein: Well thank you everyone. Time is up.
Saul Rubinek: Okay.
Gary Morgenstein: Thank you so much. Saul and Aaron,
Warehouse 13, Monday at 9:00, only on Syfy. Thanks everyone
for joining the call. Take care.
Saul Rubinek: Okay. All right. Take care.
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