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Interview with Jeff Pinkner and J.H. Wyman of "Fringe" on FOX 2/23/12
This is the third time, I think, that I've spoken with
these guys. They are always great to chat with because they are just so
smart and also appreciative of the fans of their show. I love "Fringe",
so it's great to hear about the show, ask questions, etc.
FBC PUBLICITY: The Fringe Call with Jeff Pinkner and J.H. Wyman
February 23, 2012/10:00 a.m. PST
Moderator Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing
by. Welcome to The Fringe Conference Call with Jeff Pinkner and J.H.
Wyman. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. As a
reminder, today's conference is being recorded.
I'd now like to turn the conference over to our host, Mr. Josh Governale.
Please go ahead sir.
J. Governale Alright. Thank you very much Julia. Good morning and
afternoon everyone. Thank you for joining us on the Fringe conference
call with executive producers and show runners J.H. Wyman and Jeff
Pinkner. As a reminder, the pivotal Fringe episode "The End of All
Things" airs tomorrow night at 9/8 Central on Fox. So without further
delay, let's proceed and please welcome J.H. Wyman and Jeff Pinkner.
First question please.
Moderator Our first question will come from the line of Jamie Ruby.
Please go ahead.
J. Ruby Hi. Thanks guys so much for talking to talk to us. I'm a huge
fan. I'm really hoping for another season. So you guys have, obviously,
at least four universes going on at any one time. Do you film them
separate? I mean, is it confusing? How does that work for you guys and
the actors trying to keep everything straight?
J.H. Wyman This is Joel talking and Jeff can jump in. I think that
that's actually funny. The characters and actors are so, sort of, in
tuned with what they're doing that the minute that they get an
opportunity to play in one universe or the other or one time or the
other, they jump at it. So this is a huge deal for them.
We don't really have to talk to them much. They're so great. They know
exactly where they are. What their characters are doing. Where they're
coming from. What version of the characters they're playing which is a
... to the talent and their ability.
But for us, Jeff and I, no, we don't get confused. We don't shoot them
separately. We shoot them as they come up and as we write them. They're
sort of like, "Hey, okay. We're in this universe or this week." It seems
to be very clear to us. But I'm sure it's not clear to everybody else.
J. Ruby Yes. We're still confused.
J.H. Wyman Don't worry. It will be clear.
J. Ruby Okay. Great. How important do you think–
J. Pinkner This is Jeff, if I could jump in for a second. What's
actually amazing though is after a couple of years of living with these
characters and writing these characters and talking about these
characters, we and the writers as we sit in the writers room and break
episodes or whatever, it strikes you every once in awhile that you're
talking about a character that's played by the same actor who you've
been talking about forever.
For instances and .... But we talked about like the character dying or
something, you get emotional and then you realize, oh but wait, the
actor is still on the show.
J. Ruby Alright. How important do you think social networking is to the
success and especially with the new Fringinuity in Twitter and GetGlue
campaigns and everything?
J. Pinkner I think we all operate now in a world that is so different
than it was even two or three years ago. The fans have access to the
show and access to the creators even if it's not direct. I don't know
any television creators that don't follow the message boards. Just the
feedback is so immediate to see what is working and what isn't working
and what's working better than you anticipated.
Then there's such a temptation to just constantly write things that are
going to make the fans happy. You know, constantly just want to satisfy
the fans and not sort of stay true to whatever the vision was of–oh,
sometimes it takes a little bit of unhappiness to make those happy
payoffs work better. That's something that is fascinating to us and has
really changed the way that stories are told I think.
J.H. Wyman Yes. You get an immediate reaction. Jeff is right. I think,
Twitter for us is important because we have incredible fans that are
always fighting for us and trying to spread the word and so devoted. For
us, that's why we do it. So to hear them and to like see the responses
instantaneously it's really amazing because you get to see, like Jeff
said, what's working and what's not.
But I feel really close to the fans because we have dialogues with them
on Twitter. I think they feel closer to us and I don't think that was
possible several years ago. Nobody kind of felt connected to the show. I
think our fans are really connected to the show in a deep way not just
because they're fans, but because we interact with them.
J. Ruby They definitely will. I really enjoy the show and I can't wait
J.H. Wyman Good.
J. Pinkner Thank you.
J. Ruby Thanks.
J. Pinkner Thanks a lot.
Moderator Thank you. Our next question will come from the line of Matt
Mitovich from TVLine. Please go ahead.
M. Mitovich Hey gentlemen. Thanks for your time today.
J.H. Wyman How's it going Matt?
M. Mitovich It's going well. It's a really strong episode tomorrow
night. I'm curious, what about "The End of All Things" were you most
excited, what story were you most excited to tell to share with viewers
J. Pinkner Well, I don't think we would play favorites in the stories
we're telling. It's sort of like the episode was designed to tell a few
things that all interacted, and the story between Olivia and Nina and
any time Jared Harris as David Robert Jones is on the screen is just
fantastic. And allowing Michael Cerveris as our observer to, sort of,
like peel back some layers and reveal some truths about what his agenda
has been and to really use that as an opportunity to revisit the things
we've done before in the show. All of it was really fun and exciting for
M. Mitovich Yes that's what I was wondering, if the observer intel was
something you've been wanting to let loose with for awhile now?
J.H. Wyman Well that's an interesting point because we always said that
you'll find out about the observer this season and that we're going to
investigate them a lot more. So we're excited about it all because
that's a highlight–the observers are a highlight. It's just–for us to
kind of constantly break what you think you know, and sort of reset, and
have to go, "Wow, I didn't see that coming." That's kind of why we get
up in the morning. It's to, sort of, like take people on for the ride.
So we're excited about what's coming up too for people.
Moderator Thank you. Next we'll go to the line of Joshua Maloney of
Niagara Frontier. Please go ahead.
J. Maloney Hi guys. Thanks for your time today.
J.H. Wyman Thank you.
J. Maloney So, it's been another stellar season and I hate to have to
ask. But what have the conversations been lately with Fox and what are
you guys hearing about for next season?
J.H. Wyman Obviously that's a big question. We get that every year. This
is the God-honest truth. We, Jeff and I, just do what we do. You have no
control. We didn't have control last year, the year before either, and
the year before. So we can only do what we do and that's make the show
that we love, continue to follow the path, the stories that we want to
tell, great compelling stories, week to week that interests our fans and
really hope for the best.
I think that any show that doesn't have huge ratings that's kind of what
you're always up against. Meanwhile, conversations are ongoing.
Everything is running the way that things usually run in these types of
situations. I guess, we'll find out like everybody else. But we don't
fret about it because, really, it's out of our control. We can only step
back and do our work and therein lies the past serenity. So we're hoping
for the best and just doing what we love.
J. Pinkner One of my favorite stories when I was a kid was The Little
Engine That Could. So I think we're the little engine that could
constantly. You know, I think I can, I think I can. We're always
struggling, and struggling, and struggling, and hoping, and hoping, and
hoping. We just keep making the shows that we love and the good news is
we can never rest on our laurels of just like knowing we're going to be
on forever. So we're constantly challenged to write the very best story
we can week in and week out hoping that that will just allow us to keep
telling more of them.
J.H. Wyman Yes. I mean, it's a strange thing. It's a sci-fi show on
network television and everybody knows that that in itself is an amazing
feat that we've been on for so many years. It's like, you guys, the
press and everything has been so incredibly kind and so incredibly
supportive that we feel like it's a success in any way, shape or form.
It's an expensive canvas, everybody knows it. To do what we do every
week it costs a lot of money and you have to have a return on it. That's
show business and you've got to do it. We just hope that the dollars and
cents can make sense and we can continue doing it. But if this was the
last season, at least I'll speak for myself and Jeff can comment on it.
If this is the last season I would feel, obviously, incredibly sad
because I know how much of the story that we have left to tell and that
we would love to tell.
But in the same breath I kind of feel like I would feel that I could
take care of the fans. That's the most important to us that we feel like
we have an ending that would leave people feeling like, wow, I feel sad
but satiated. I feel like that was definitely worth my four years of
investment. I really love these characters and I can see where it would
have gone. But I feel good.
That's all we're concerned about is to make sure that the fans don't
feel like, wait, what? What happened? I've invested four years of my
life and I don't get any kind of resolution that makes sense. That's not
what's going on. And to be 100% frank, our partners at Fox would never
want to consciously allow that to happen. So everybody knows that Jeff
and I are very prepared. We're ready for anything. Hopefully we go on.
But it's out of our control.
Moderator And next we'll go to the line of Reg Seeton of TheDeadBolt.com.
Please go ahead.
R. Seeton Hi guys. Thanks for taking the call.
J. Pinkner Thanks for being on it.
R. Seeton With shows like Fringe, Alcatraz, Terra Nova all having a
tough time in the ratings. How do you guys see the state of sci-fi on TV
today and how it can survive in the future?
J.H. Wyman Well, ... said the last answer. You're right. It's the
strangest thing. Jeff always says, it's kind of a funny point. He says
that, you know, in the cinema everybody goes to sci-fi. They're like the
biggest movies and in television nobody wants to touch it with a barge
pole. It's strange. I think it's because maybe there's a legacy of
television shows that sort of felt a certain way or depicted sci-fi in a
certain way that turns off a lot of viewers. And maybe there's a
What was so great about Lost is that it sort of came to the front door
as a drama that was straight up and really gave you these sci-fi
underneath it all. So it backed into sci-fi show, at least in my
opinion. So people were like, as soon as they got hooked, they were
like, okay, I'm there. But the minute you show it's about this, it's
about strange science, things out of control, it takes an investment. I
think that in the future when people start to realize that sci-fi is
probably one of the only genres. I actually love the genre because it
allows you to tell such human stories.
I think once people start to realize the consistency of quality that is
coming, and maybe not getting recognized at the moment and then in
retrospect we'll be recognized. But they'll start to sort of open up
their minds a little more, saying like, "Wow this is great. I'm going to
tune into this." It's not just for the geeks and the people that are
into it. It's actually really fascinating. That's my take on it. What do
R. Seeton What do I think?
J.H. Wyman Yes.
R. Seeton I think it's great, man. I think that, you know, I've been at
it a long time. I just think that it's often a tough sell like ... and
throughout the years. It's sad because I think a lot of people want that
accessibility but yet they're missing the boat. They can't see the
forest through the trees.
J.H. Wyman Yes.
R. Seeton Just one quick question for you guys. There's some online talk
about Charlie Francis returning. Can you guys touch on that?
J. Pinkner I think that we have been in talks with Kirk about coming
back. As we've said before there is nobody ever really dies on Fringe or
so it would seem. But there's no, hey tune in on x and such week to see
him. There's nothing definitive yet.
R. Seeton Great. Thanks guys.
J.H. Wyman Thank you very much.
Moderator Next we'll go to the line of Sandra Gonzalez from
Entertainment Weekly. Please go ahead.
S. Gonzalez Hi guys.
J. Pinkner Hi there.
S. Gonzalez This season we've had some really great singular cases and
kind of just stand alone episodes. But I feel like this episode that
we're going to see tomorrow really, like you've kind of teased before,
is mythology heavy and really speaks to the larger arc this season. So
what can you say about how it's going to affect what we see in the next
couple of months in the final stretch here?
J. Pinkner Well it's definitely, as they say, a game changer in that our
characters learn a lot more and the audience is going to learn a lot
more about sort of the Uber plot of our season, our season bad guy David
Robert Jones. The character ... certainly for Peter this season and
Olivia and Walter is going to start to unfold in ways that, hopefully,
will be really both satisfying and challenging to our characters. It's
sort of like, the 14th out of 21 or 22 episodes and it's very much a
hinge episode that's going to launch us into the back half of the
S. Gonzalez If we make it after crying our eyes out at the end of the
episode. Alright. Thanks guys.
J. Pinkner I'm going to take it that you've seen it?
S. Gonzalez Yes. I'm just recovering.
J. Pinkner Great. Thanks so much.
S. Gonzalez Thanks.
Moderator Thank you. Our next question will come from the line of Tara
Bennett of SFX Magazine. Please go ahead.
T. Bennett Hey guys.
J.H. Wyman Hi Tara.
J. Pinkner Hey. How's it going?
T. Bennett So I wanted to ask Joel about directing. You're doing the
first episode back from the winter break. So just tell me a little bit
about that process and you getting to do that this season. In
particular, did you want to do that one particular episode or is it just
how you came up into the rotation?
J.H. Wyman Thanks. Yes, well, first of all it was the most incredible
experience. You know, directing, when you run a television show it's
kind of like it's something that not many people actually get the time
to do because you're so consumed with everything that's going on. You
can't just disappear.
So fortunately, I have an amazing partner that allows us to do these
different things who will be directing an episode himself soon I'm sure.
But it's amazing. I love directing and I think that it allowed me to get
closer to the actors and actually work with them on a level that I
haven't before and really get down there with them. I would jump at the
chance to do it anytime I could.
The episode, itself, was something that was not in the rotation. I was
supposed to direct a couple of episodes last year and just time didn't
permit. If I can't go away then I can't go away and somebody else has to
step in. So that's sort of what happened last year. This year, the same
thing happened at the beginning of the season I was going to do one. But
work just put an end to that. So I couldn't do it.
But then one was coming up that we were thinking about writing and I
really felt close to it. The opportunity came up where somebody had
fallen out and I felt that this is the perfect time because everything
was completely under control. It allowed me to go and do it. But it is.
It's an episode that's really close to me. It's about love and it's
about all the great things that we talk about on Fringe.
To us, Jeff and I, it's kind of like a perfect version of what a Fringe
show is because it has a great terrifying element to it which is very
fringy. On the other hand it has this incredible love story aspect and
things that people are going to be really, really excited for, we
believe, as far as the relationships in the show. So it was an honor to
do it and it was just incredible. It turned out really well. We love it.
It was just an incredible experience.
T. Bennett Is there a chance, Jeff, that you'll be able to do an episode
before the end of this season or is it just–I know you guys are in the
bat 9 and a hard time to break away.
J. Pinkner It's unlikely that I will do one this season. But I look
forward to doing it next season. And I can tell you that Joel did a
spectacular job and I have a lot to live up to.
T. Bennett Thanks guys.
J. Pinkner Thank you.
J.H. Wyman Thank you.
Moderator Our next question will come from the line of Mike Hughes of
TVAmerica. Please go ahead.
M. Hughes Yes. I just want to make sure I'm set on the specifics. This
is the 14th episode, Friday. The show will have about a month break and
then you'll have eight more episodes this season, is that right?
J.H. Wyman That's right. I messed up earlier. It's 22 episodes.
M. Hughes Okay.
J.H. Wyman I was trying to say it’s two-thirds of the way. But it's not
M. Hughes Okay. I just had two questions about the timing then. One is,
did you know that this was a break point here because it works out
really well that you have a pivotal episode. It works right up to the
break to get people excited to come back a month later. So were you able
to plan it that way? And second of all, when you refer to the fact that
if the season ends and there isn't a fifth season people will be
satisfied. Is that because you've already written the final episode of
this season or because you've already shot it or what's the deal with
the final episode?
J. Pinkner Well taking your first question first, in fact we did not
know that this was going to be a break. We thought that the break was
going to come after the next episode which also is a wonderful episode
to take a break on. We're sort of in a zone of episodes right now where
each one is pretty amazing. Each one either turns the story or resolves
something important or leaves a cliff hanger.
So the several episodes, each is pretty awesome in itself and also is
very important to the overall patchwork of the season. We are very happy
that this ended up being one before we went on a little break. But I
think the fans are going to be very well satisfied to come back and
watch the next one as well.
As far as the finale, no, we have not written it. In fact, we are
talking about it sort of specifically as soon as we get off this phone
call. But we do know what it is. We've known the shape of our season
before we started. ... there was ... this year before we even started
M. Hughes And that's one that you were referring to that will be
satisfied if there isn't a season five, it'll feel like a pretty good
J.H. Wyman Oh, yes. I mean, fortunately, at the end of every season we
sort of close the chapter and start a new. That's the sort of the
language of the series now. So it just sort of organically can come to a
conclusion that we love.
M. Hughes Okay. Good deal. Okay. Thanks a lot.
J.H. Wyman Thank you.
Moderator Thank you. Our next question will come from the line of
Suzanne Lanoue of TV Megasite. Please go ahead.
S. Lanoue Hi guys. Nice to speak with you again today.
J.H. Wyman You as well.
J. Pinkner Thank you for being here.
S. Lanoue I was wondering where you were talking earlier about ratings
and science fiction and all of that. Do you think that part of the
reason the ratings have gone down this season is being opposite
Supernatural and Grimm?
J.H. Wyman I don't know. Honestly, because if you look at the DVR
numbers, Friday night is a tricky spot. I truly believe that there needs
to be some new way of measuring who's watching what and some way.
Because I feel like there's satellites that can see a Levi's tab on the
back of your jeans but they can't tell you who's watching which
television show. I'm a little suspicious.
But, look, the truth is that people–it's changed. Times have changed.
People, it's busy. People have hard lives. They're making it work.
They're coming home from work. They're telling us when they want to
watch the show because the DVRs, they go up like crazy. I mean, 80% is
So they're watching. They're just not watching on Friday. You know,
those other shows that you mentioned are great. I don't know that their
ratings have gone up so much that it would be like they're taking
viewers or anything. I just think that, in general, people are–there's
only the people who have the Nielsen boxes and if they're not watching
live or they're not watching it, you're done.
It has nothing to do with what the mass is because when the big numbers
come out on DVRs you understand there are a lot of people watching the
program, just not on Friday nights. So they're dictating to us, well,
another time. I don't want to watch it right now. I want to watch it
tomorrow morning or I want to watch it on Saturday night with my
girlfriend or I don't know.
J. Pinkner There are TV producers, we can tell you how they experience
it. They spend a lot of time analyzing numbers and analyzing the
competition and sort of knocking on the doors of the people that work at
the studio and saying, "Change our night. Change our time. Don't you see
what you're doing to us by having us on ...?”
We don't do that. Our approach has always been, and maybe to our
detriment, but our approach has always been that the best thing that we
can do for our show is to write the best show possible. So as Joel said
earlier, we sort of leave these questions and these issues that we can't
control to people who can and we just write the best version of Fringe
we know how. The one that satisfies us. The one that makes us excited to
go into work everyday. The one that makes us feel something. We've been
really, really gratified that the people that watch the show respond to
it in the way that they do. Beyond that, we just sort of leave it to the
S. Lanoue Okay. Well thank you guys. I love the show. I never miss it.
Keep up the good work.
J.H. Wyman Thank you so much.
J. Pinkner Thanks a lot.
Moderator Thank you. We have a follow up from the line of Matt Mitovich
M. Mitovich Hey again, man. I was curious, we've got some hints
tomorrow. But how soon is it going to become evident exactly what David
Robert Jones Uber plan is specifically and how Olivia fits into it? Is
she kind of his Desmond ...? Is she a distinct key that he needs?
J.H. Wyman Spoiler alert. We can't–we're restricted a little bit, right?
Obviously, we can't tell anything. But I think that David Robert Jones,
just remember that on Fringe we try to make like nothing is as it seems.
That there's always a little more to the story behind the story. He's
definitely a large part going forward. I think a lot of things will come
full circle. But you'll be like, oh, wow. And again, I hate to use the
word but recontextualize a lot of things that you've already seen.
M. Mitovich Alright. Cool. Thank you very much.
J.H. Wyman Sorry Matt.
M. Mitovich No. We're cool.
J.H. Wyman Sure. Thanks bro.
Moderator Thank you. Our last question will come from the line of
Sheldon Wiebe of Eclipse Magazine. Please go ahead.
S. Wiebe Hey guys. Thanks so much for doing this.
J.H. Wyman Of course.
S. Wiebe With Peter accepting Walter's hypothesis about how he is
somehow transforming this Olivia into his Olivia, he seems to have
discarded the thought that she has independent memories that he could
not have created like the Semtex thing a couple of weeks ago. So using
that plot point as the reference, I'm kind of wondering, what do you see
Sam's debating? How do they react to, oh, that's an error in continuity?
Do they talk about it? Do they really turn it over and does any of that
ever influence the way you think about your own writing?
J.H. Wyman Does the part about the fan debate influence our writing?
S. Wiebe Do they spark thoughts? Do they make you think of other things
when you see stuff like that happening and see how into it the fans get?
J. Pinkner Well, to take that part of the question first. As you of
course know, by the time we see feedback on any individual episode we
have written and filmed several episodes ahead, TV show .... We don't
have the ability to change our story telling on a dime. It's very much
like trying to steer a cruise ship. The reaction time is delayed.
Having said that, we're well aware of how intelligent our audience is.
We're well aware that, sort of, Fringe is a show that you really need to
lean forward to, into and pay attention to and think about. It's not
designed to be a show that you can watch while you're folding laundry.
So we're well aware of the questions that our audience is inevitably
going to ask. We're well aware of how carefully they watch the show and
hold us to continuity. We're certainly aware of the debates that are
going to occur.
Our audience holds us to an incredibly high standard of continuity and
authenticity and emotional authenticity. We don't toy with that but
being aware of that we oftentimes will write stories in order to spark
debate. But we're very determined to always give the answer. We don't
want to leave a lot of things open to debate at the end of the day. Does
that make sense?
S. Wiebe That is exactly what I was hoping for. And may I just say, I
love the double blind with Nina in this week’s episode. That was
J.H. Wyman Thank you.
S. Wiebe I'm just wondering, how much is Nina going to play? What kind
of role is she going to play going forward because she's been through a
trauma that's as bad now as anything Olivia's been through?
J. Pinkner Tune in next week. You're going to get a–I think you're going
to enjoy it a lot.
J.H. Wyman You know, it's funny cause people have always been, since
season one, they have always been saying, "Nina is such a great
character. We've got to give her something that's kind of cool and show
her" because you know she's an incredible actress. Dare I say, so much
more capable of the things that we're capable of giving her to do on the
show just by the constraints of characters amount of screen time. You
know what I mean?
So we're always looking for something very special for her and we just
wanted it to be right. We didn't want to just sort of give her an
episode that was kind of, oh, this is the Nina-centric episode. We
wanted to make sure that you actually could watch a tour de force and
allow her to do the things she does so well and have it be worthy of her
ability. So we feel like I think that's where we are right now. You're
going to see some stuff that you'll be pretty blown away, I think.
J. Pinkner And we'll reveal something to you and whoever's left still
hanging on for the rest of this phone call. That is we have a lot of fun
with the names of our alternate versions of our characters, Walternate
for example. ... Blair who named her alternate version. Nina which is
kind of ....
S. Wiebe Excellent. Excellent. Thank you so much.
J.H. Wyman Thank you for calling.
J. Pinkner We really appreciate it.
J. Governale That concludes our conference call today with Fringe
executive producers and show ... J.H. Wyman and Jeff Pinkner. As a
reminder, the pivotal episode "The End of All Things" airs tomorrow
night at 9/8 Central and after a brief three week break Fringe Fridays
will resume on March 23rd on Fox. Thank you very much for everybody's
time today and let me know if you have any follow up questions. Thanks,
Jeff and Joel. Alright guys.
J.H. Wyman Thank you.
J. Pinkner Bye guys.
BIO INFORMATION: JEFF PINKNER
(Executive Producer, FRINGE)
Jeff Pinkner grew up in the suburbs of Baltimore, MD. He attended
Northwestern University and Harvard Law School. Pinkner began his
television writing career with a freelance episode of "The Practice." He
has written and produced several series, including "Profiler," "Early
Edition" and "The Street."
Pinkner served as a writer and producer on all five seasons of "Alias,"
and served as showrunner in its final season. He then served as
executive producer on "Lost" and "October Road."
He lives in Los Angeles.
J.H. WYMAN (Executive Producer, FRINGE)
Born in Oakland, CA, J.H. Wyman grew up in Montréal, Canada. Wyman wrote
and produced "The Mexican" starring Brad Pitt. He has since created
several television shows, most notably "Keen Eddie" starring Mark Valley
and Sienna Miller.
Wyman currently resides in Los Angeles.
EPISODE INFORMATION: PIVOTAL EVENTS UNFOLD ON AN ALL-NEW "FRINGE"
FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 24, ON FOX
Peter and the Fringe team take extraordinary measures in an attempt to
stop life-threatening events in the all-new "The End of All Things"
episode of FRINGE airing Friday, Feb. 24 (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT) on FOX.
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