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Rowe, Rhys Ifans, Anna Freil and writer/director Nick Willing of "Neverland" on Syfy 11/14/11
November 14, 2011
Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by
and welcome to the Neverland conference call. During the presentation,
participants will be in a listen only mode. We will conduct a question
and answer session. At this time, if you have a question, please press
the 1 followed by the 4 on your telephone.
As a reminder, this conference is being
recorded Monday, November 14, 2011. I would now like to turn the
conference over to Ms. Erica Rubin from Syfy. Please go ahead maíam.
Erica Rubin: Hi everybody. Thank you so much for joining
today for the Neverland conference call. Neverland is going to be
premiering on Syfy Sunday, December 4th and Monday December 5th at 9 pm
eastern and pacific.
Today weíre joined by the stars of
Neverland, Charlie Rowe, Rhys Ifans, Anna Freil and the writer/director
Nick Willing. If anyone would like a transcript of the call, it should
be available 24 hours after the call is completed so please send me an
Email if you would like a transcript.
For any more information on Neverland,
please be sure to check out Syfy.com. We have a great comprehensive
website available with all the information you will ever need to know
And again I want to make a reminder that
no questions of a personal nature will be accepted during this
conference call and we ask that you please keep it to questions about
the project and about Neverland.
So without further adieu, Iíd like to
welcome Nick, Charlie, Rhys and Anna and weíll go ahead and start with
the first question. Thanks again everybody.
Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, if youíd like to register
for questions, please press the 1 followed by the 4 on your telephone.
You will hear a three tone prompt to acknowledge your request. If your
question has been answered and you would like to withdraw your
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Once again ladies and gentlemen, you may
press the 1 followed by the 4 to register for questions.
And the first question is from the line of
Mike Hughes with TV America. Please go ahead.
Mike Hughes: Hey. Thanks. Anna, I wanted to ask you. When you
grew up, were you a fan of Peter Pan? Did you think about it much? And
when you thought about it, in your mind, did you think about that youíd
be playing Wendy or playing Tinker Bell? How surprised are you that
youíre playing the Captain - the pirate captain?
Anna Friel: Yeah. Iíve grown up with the story. Iíve seen
it in many versions and watched all the films and having a six year old
daughter, encourage that much more cause sheís a musket fan. And I love
the new take on this story and the introduction of a very new character.
And Wendy was never my favorite and apart for her, there were never any
female roles to be offered in this wonderful story so I was very
grateful to Nick for creating one.
Mike Hughes: Okay. Cool. And I also wanted to ask Rhys - now did
I pronounce your name right? Is it Rhys?
Erica Rubin: Rhys.
Mike Hughes: Rhys. Okay. Rhys, youíre quite a swordsman in this
thing and were you originally or did you have to learn the sword play
for the part or had you picked it up already?
Rhys Ifans: I'd kind of done it many years ago in
(unintelligible) school and there were several injuries so I wasnít - I
wasnít a great swordsman but I guess (unintelligible) it was really
exciting to fight Anna and Charlie. Itís quite a fill and, initially it
took some time to pick it up again but as the shoot went on, rehearsal
times got less and less and less. So itís more of a dance than a combat.
Mike Hughes: Sure. Okay. Cool. And just I should ask you too the
same thing about did you grow up as Peter Pan fan? Had you thought about
playing in Peter Pan some time?
Rhys Ifans: Not so much the novel but I was familiar with
the many kind of variations and gazes that the story was being presented
to us over the years be it on film or on the stage or (unintelligible)
So yeah. I think you know everyone in the
western world has been touched by Peter Pan in some way in their life.
It was kind of a thrill to have a lot explained as Nick has so
eloquently done in this film.
Operator: Our next question is from the line of Jamie Ruby
with Scifi Vision. Please go ahead.
Jamie Ruby: Hi. Thanks for talking to us today. My first
question is for Nick. What made you decide to kind of write a prequel
rather than do say a remake or whatever? What, like what - howíd you
come up with the idea?
Nick Willing: I was interested in the genesis and how it is
that a boy doesnít want to grow up and I was interested in how it is
that it ended up in a place called Neverland and what that was and why
there were pirates and fairies and Indians there. I was just - when I
read the book I loved it so much that my imagination ran wild and I kind
of wanted to know more of the facts story and I thought that would make
quite an intriguing movie.
Jamie Ruby: Awesome. And for the rest of you, how did you
become involved in the project?
Anna Friel: Charlie, you go first. Itís your story.
Charlie Rowe: Well I mean Iíve worked with Nick a long time ago
on my very first job when I was nine and so the minute I heard that he
was directing and heíd written this, I was - I just wanted to get
involved so originally I was going up for the part of Fox, Peterís best
friend. And I went out for that and I wasnít too keen on it.
And then I read the script and I was like
mum, I just really want to go out for Peter and then the next day Nick
called and was like I want you to go for Peter. And so that was just
absolutely amazing and I got the part eventually and Iím so glad I did.
Thank you very much Nick.
Nick Willing: Yeah. I knew he was good but - because I had
worked with him before, I thought I canít work with him again. Iíve got
- there must be some other kid out there. I must have seen 400 kids and
then finally right at the end he walked in for Fox and I went ah,
(unintelligible). Thatís Peter Pan.
So it was - I should have gone with my
first instinct, you know.
Anna Friel: I (unintelligible) loved it and it was one of
the best things Iíd read. I loved the whole fantastic element of it. I
loved the idea of playing a baddie and then a female baddie and
introducing a new character. So it was great stage with which to write
with and I had a conversation with Nick on the phone and he spoke so
eloquently about the story and what he intended to do with it and how to
work within that (unintelligible) and how he could make that world
become true and told me that it would be one of the most fun shoots I
ever did and it ended up being that.
Rhys Ifans: Yeah. And Iíd like to reiterate what Anna said.
You know, I hadnít met Nick. I was sitting in a bar in a beautiful
village in Spain and I received this script and read it in one go and
thatís kind of my measuring stick for any script. Itís if you donít put
it down, itís worth considering and then Nick pretty much said the same
to me that it would be a joyous (occasion) telling a beautiful story and
a story that explains another story that weíre all familiar with.
And I just from a personal level - the
Hook - Nickís version goes a long way into describing the Hook we see in
the novel into this - painting his psychosis and his arrival at the
embodiment of evil.
Operator: Our next question is from Amy Harrington with
Pop Culture Passionistas. Please go ahead.
Amy Harrington: Hi. Thank you all so much for talking to us today.
Our first question is for Nick and we just heard from the actors how
they got cast but could you talk to us - you have so many incredible
cast members. Can you talk about the casting process and also if you
wrote the story with any actors in mind?
Nick Willing: I wrote - the part of Hook I really wanted Rhys
from the beginning. And even when that - because the thing about Rhys is
that heís one of the few actors that is incredibly powerful and imposing
on the screen but at the same time shows a certain vulnerability.
And Hook to me - if Hook as villainy could
seem vulnerable, that would be cool I thought. And so I kind of had in
my mind this tall figure or Rhys I have to admit.
Anna too was - funny enough was also - I
know it sounds weird but in fact, when I cast a movie, I always think
who would be the best person and I just try and go for them and if I
donít - and if I get them, thatís fantastic. Iíve always been very lucky
Bob Hoskins too I thought Iíd love - I
mean because Iíve seen him obviously in Spielbergís version. To me he
was the embodiment of Smee. I couldnít think of - I couldnít get him out
of my head when I was writing and I always imagined that heíd be perfect
for Smee and indeed he said yes. I mean I was - so I kind of got three
And then with Charlie, Iíve just told you
that story. It turned out to be perfect. So we were very, very lucky or
at least I was very lucky to get all the people I kind of dreamed of and
itís proved to be, you know, true.
I mean one of the things about making this
film was that it was quite a collaborative process in all. You know,
youíve got to get (unintelligible) - thereís a little kind of team and
working with these actors are perhaps one of the better experiences Iíve
Amy Harrington: Thatís great. And for Rhys, Anna and Charlie, can
you talk a little bit about the challenges of putting your mark on
characters that people are so familiar with.
Charlie Rowe: Yeah. Well I mean I actually - it was my first
proper big part and I was just more scared about actually being any good
at acting. But I was lucky on set to have Rhys and Anna who really
taught me a lot - just taught me a lot. They were - Iím very grateful
I felt that I went into doing the show as
just a little kid really, a little child actor, and I think Iíve come
out as an actor; or Iíd like to think so anyway.
And also I - looking at Nick and being
around Nick all the time, I realized that he was actually - he was this
character Peter that heíd written about. So I just used to look at how
he was behaving and just replicated it really.
Anna Friel: Nickís really set the tone for it also and he
wanted individual and unique performances because it was part of the
story that weíd never heard before and particularly from my character;
she was completely created and invented and itís always hard to play or
accept a character to play that people will maybe not like and to play
it badly. And Nick and (Unintelligible) may go as far as you want with
that and we had a great rehearsal process in which Rhys and I played
around a lot.
You know, the different characteristics
and how those two came together and what made Hook be intrigued by this
incredibly powerful woman who used her prowess and her femininity to get
what she wanted.
Rhys Ifans: And you know I think just to pick up on what
Charlie said, both Anna and I have said and Iím sure Nick would agree,
that I was not working with a boy. I was working with a professional
actor from the very beginning to the very end and then I can put my hand
to my heart and say he is one of the most professional, eloquent young
men Iíve ever, ever worked with so that was a pleasure from the (oft).
Charlie Rowe: Thank you very much.
Rhys Ifans: I think his performance, you know - youíre
welcome. And you see him - not only did he - you see the character he
plays become - you just see this huge change in the character he
becomes. He develops and gets all these new sort of addled emotions and
struggles with, you know, the morality that Hook and Bonny present him
with and I think itís a really, really mature performance.
So throughout, between him, Anna and Nick,
I felt in the safest (hands) Iíve ever felt.
Amy Harrington: Excellent. Well thanks so much for talking to us
today and good luck with the project.
Rhys Ifans: Thank you.
Charlie Rowe: Thank you.
Operator: Your next question is from Mike Hughes with TV
America. Please go ahead.
Mike Hughes: Oh yeah. I just wanted to ask Nick to follow-up and
add a little bit. I was fascinated when Charlie said that Nick really is
Peter in some ways.
Mike Hughes: Yeah. What things about Peter do you associate with
- that seems like theyíve hooked you for a long time? What is it about
Nick Willing: Well first of all I should say that Iím a bit
older than Peter.
Mike Hughes: Yeah.
Anna Friel: No, youíre 18 Nick.
Nick Willing: Physically.
Nick Willing: Iím 17 - yeah. I was going to say in my head Iím
still very much 17 so in my story one of the things that interests me
about growing up is how you at certain vulnerable ages look for your
heroes and in men to emulate.
And theyíre not usually the heroes that
youíre supposed to follow, you know. And that is part of the nature of
growing up. And I was interested in telling a story about a little boy
who wants to grow up and emulate his hero.
But what if your hero isnít quite grown up
himself? And still has a hankering in his past and itís something
romantic and so on. So that was kind of - that to me resonated because
even though Iím 17 and all grown up, Iíve got to still discover the
things - Iíve got to enjoy the world and discover what it is to be grown
I try not to identify with Peter Pan but
unfortunately it turns out that I probably am quite a bit like Peter
Mike Hughes: Okay. Cool. Thanks.
Operator: Our next question is from the line of (Jill
Sergeant) with (Broilers News Wire). Please go ahead.
Jill Sergeant: Oh hi. Good morning. I have a question for
Nick. I wondered why if you can talk a little bit more - you said about
how you first got the idea and it sounds like it was quite a long time
So if you could say how long youíve
actually been working on this project and also why you started to do it
form television and not as a, you know, as a movie - a big screen movie
because it seems to me that, you know, the film has all those kind of
production values that one might expect in a movie so I wondered what
the thinking was around that.
Nick Willing: Well it - one of the things about doing it for
television and particularly working for the Syfy network as I did is
that they allow me to take great risks and experiment and try new things
and they also are brave enough to go into dark areas which sometimes
itís more difficult to do for the big screen.
I mean one of the things about working -
if this was a big movie I think Iíd wrestle with 50 - 60 - 100
executives just to write the script, let alone make the movie. And one
of the things that I felt in making this movie is an enormous amount of
freedom and that freedom comes from working with the Syfy network in
particular, but also working in television.
Television currently in America I feel is
a medium that is taking the greatest risks and trying new things. And so
thatís one of the reasons I did it for TV.
And how long have I been thinking about
it? I mean I started ever since I read the book in one way. But only in
the last couple of years have I had the confidence to take on such a
It is a very famous and loved book and so
itís only since Iíve become a bit older and made films like Tin Man and
Alice. These are the films Iíve made recently. But I had the courage and
confidence to take on something of this size, magnitude.
Jill Sergeant: Okay. Thank you.
Operator: Our next question is from the line of Kyle Nolan
with Noreruns.com. Please go ahead.
Kyle Nolan: Hi everyone. Thanks for taking time to talk to
us. So this is actually a follow-up on that Nick. So youíve worked on
all of this Syfy films based on literary classics which all have huge,
hard core audiences. Do you ever get input or feedback from those hard
core fans of the books?
Nick Willing: From the hard core fans of Peter Pan you mean
Kyle Nolan: Yes.
Nick Willing: When I was writing the script. I didnít get much
feedback. I didnít know where they were. I didnít know to get in touch
with them. I suppose I should have put out a - no.
I mean the thing about writing is that
itís very, very difficult anyway. I find it very difficult. And it takes
a lot of - itís a struggle and you have to keep rewriting and rewriting
and rewriting and so you have to have a very clear vision and direction
Itís very - if you have too many
influences, you kind of get lost I think; or at least I do.
Kyle Nolan: Now do you have any favorite aspect of the
original Peter Pan book that you were able to explain the origin of in
Nick Willing: I particularly was taken by the relationship
between Peter and Hook and that was the thing that in this film I - well
with Rhys and Charlie and in fact Anna is an enormous part of that.
One of the reasons I wanted to create a
character like Anna the pirate queen you see in our film is tough,
slightly crazy, extremely dangerous, nasty but you want her. Sheís
irresistible. Itís a quite difficult part to cast but Anna is absolutely
perfect in that role.
And so one of the things that I was most
interested in is how it is that the relationship between Peter and Hook
Operator: Our next question is from the line of Erin
Willard with Scifi Mafia. Please go ahead.
Erin Willard: Hi. Thanks everyone for being on the call. I
cannot tell you how much I love this program.
Anna Friel: Thank you.
Erin Willard: Nick, I love (Cuman) in Alice and watch them
every time theyíre on but wow. Neverland is an absolute treasure so
thanks to all of you for your part in this project.
Iíd like to find out actually from each
one of you whatís your most favorite and least favorite thing about
working in the fantasy genre?
Anna Friel: The most exciting was having a real ship to
work on. I loved the aspects of it. Go on.
Charlie Rowe: And I think my favorite aspect of it is the fact
that you can just create magical things and mesmerizing and
unforgettable creatures and worlds and just beautiful, beautiful things.
But I suppose my least favorite is just the color green.
Anna Friel: Yeah.
Nick Willing: Thatís very funny.
Anna Friel: And the fact that we started off in a real
environment, on a real ship. We were able to suspend all disbelief much
more easily when we came to work and on so much green screen and also
Nick really cleverly gave us fantastic visuals of what we would be
seeing and what weíd be looking. So it was kind of like being a child in
the most fantastic dress up box you could ever imagine or wish to have
and it was all about play - what we do.
Nick Willing: Yeah.
Charlie Rowe: My favorite (unintelligible).
Rhys Ifans: For me too. It was just the - just the whole
transporting feeling that making the film. We shot it in Ireland so we
felt kind of far away from everything. We felt pleasantly isolated and
left alone so we were able to indulge and invent this just absolutely,
you know, this visual banquet that Nickís created. And really indulge
that and play in it.
And the thought and just knowing that no
oneís going to have to leave the comfort of their own home to be
transported to such a magical place and I think thatís what the novel
When you read the novel, it very much
happens in a household and a bedroom and living room. Thatís the kind of
emotional HQ. And I think thatís what - just to go back to what Nick
said before about television. Also doing it with television, it offers
you more time to explore.
I donít think if weíd have shot this - if
this was a 90 minute movie feature, we wouldnít have been able to
explore half the psychological dynamics that Nick has been able to in,
you know, in a TV three hour epic.
You know, so it was just a thrill just
from beginning to end.
Nick Willing: Yeah. Yeah. I mean I have particularly enjoyed
working on this film. I had more fun than Iíve ever had working on a
But I think the thing that I love about
doing - Iíve done a few fantasy films and the honest answer to what it
is that I love most about the nature of fantasy movies is imagining
worlds. Imagining new worlds - the wonder of feats that you could walk
into some of these extraordinary places. Thatís what kind of keeps me
going is sort of - the thing I hate most on the other hand is how
expensive that is and how difficult it is to achieve often and how
sometimes it has to be done on a green screen and so on but the end
result, if it works out, is what fills us with the most pleasure.
And you canít do that with any other
medium. Fantasy is the only thing which allows you to invent and create
and imagine worlds that are not there fully.
Erin Willard: Yeah. Those were excellent answers. Thank you
all so much.
Rhys Ifans: Thank you.
Anna Friel: Thank you.
Operator: Our next question is from the line of (Yoshawn
Maloney) with Niagara Frontier Publications. Please go ahead.
Yoshawn Maloney: Hello everybody. Thank you for your time today.
Anna Friel: Hi.
Charlie Rowe: Thank you.
Yoshawn Maloney: So Anna, you know, obviously a lot of people know
you for your great work on Pushing Daisies. With that and with
Neverland, you know, obviously you were given the opportunity to build
these great characters sort of from the ground up. Is that preferential
for you as an actress or would you rather have a little bit of back
Anna Friel: Well I think when youíre given something new
itís always exciting because youíre the first one to do it so youíre not
having to live up to any expectations or be compared to anyone whoís
ever done it before. You know, thereís pros and cons for both of them.
You can watch the Peter Pans or watch the
Hooks and try and do variations on them which I think in this case
needed Rhys or Charlie did. They completely did their own invention of
age old characters in story telling but for me, I always like a
challenge. And I like to have things that excite me and is something new
and a little bit of a fox to be taken and Iíve never played a character
like this before.
As I said before, itís always hard playing
a character that people necessarily wonít like and thatís usually done -
is a role and the job of Hook. And I think that the fact that Nick wrote
a very complex Hook and gave him a back story and where did his dark
side come from and to be influenced by a woman I thought was quite an
interesting thing to look at.
Yoshawn Maloney: All right.
Anna Friel: Is that - does that answer your question?
Yoshawn Maloney: Yes, very much so. Thank you. And Rhys and
Charlie, for you guys, I mean conversely you know when you do take on
these very iconic characters, what sort of is the dichotomy or how do
you sort of break it down between your level of excitement and is there
any sort of level of intimidation perhaps?
Rhys Ifans: Well in Hooks case the boots that you have to
fill are literally big because theyíre, you know, there have been so
many Hooks and each and every one of them has worn big boots.
Anna Friel: I took your hair thank goodness Rhys. You
didnít have the original Hook hair. Bonny got that look.
Charlie Rowe: Bonny got good curls this time.
Rhys Ifans: It wasnít intimidating. It - because it was a
back story, I kind of just (unintelligible) over maybe every other Hook
throughout history had been thinking of subtextually. So I just played
everyoneís subtext and so and I hope theyíre grateful for that. It was
really hard work.
Charlie Rowe: Yeah. I am - I would say extremely excited when I
got the part. You know, danced around my house for ages. But I was
hugely nervous of the fact that every single boy and girl around the
world had grown up with this magical story and every boy has played with
their wooden swords in the playground with their best friend being Peter
Pan and Captain Hook. And so you know like Rhys, we both had huge boots
to fill and I was very nervous about it.
I mean I hope people like the character
that Iíve tried to create because I donít - as Anna has said before,
this isnít - itís not just - he isnít Peter Pan this boy. Heís a
completely new character that weíve never seen before and yeah. I hope I
did him justice.
Charlie Rowe: Thank you very much.
Operator: Our next question is from the line of Tom Wilson
with Simply TV. Please go ahead.
Tom Wilson: Hi guys. Thank you for your time.
Anna Friel: Hi.
Tom Wilson: Firstly Nick. In your own words, can you explain
what your kind of place of Neverland is and what itís about?
Nick Willing: Itís a story of who - where Peter came from, who
he was. Where the lost boys came from, how they ended up in Neverland
and what Neverland is and why itís full of pirates and Indians and
fairies and crocks and why itís magical and why it is that Peter doesnít
want to grow up.
Tom Wilson: And to turn to you Anna, Rhys and Charlie, can you
explain in your own words who your characters are what their roles in
the particular adaptation are that you play?
Rhys Ifans: Well I would say that Hook is a damaged man who
is liberated by badness.
Anna Friel: And Bonny is a very bad woman whoís liberated
Charlie Rowe: I think Peterís just a boy who wants to live
really and I suppose be incredible. He wants to be Hook and thatís why
going to Neverland is so interesting because of the whole aspect of not
being able to grow up.
Rhys Ifans: Good answers. Wow.
Anna Friel: Do you want more detailed answers or is that
enough. We kind of gave one liners there. Thatís not fair for you.
Nick Willing: Thatís really good. No. That was good answers.
Operator: Our next question is from the line of Stefan
Blitz with ForcesofGeek.com. Please go ahead.
Stefan Blitz: Hey guys. Thank you all for taking the time
today. First Nick, you know, after reimagining both Alice and Wizard of
Oz and now with Neverland youíre adding to the (solidity) of Peter Pan.
Do you have a preference for recreating or reimagining these stories or
(unintelligible) Peter Pan which is kind of flushing them out more?
Nick Willing: Well theyíre all very different - similar but
actually for me. Hello, can you hear me?
Anna Friel: Yeah. (Unintelligible).
Nick Willing: Okay. Theyíre all very difficult for me these
films. The Tin Man which was the Wizard of Oz was more a kind of
reimagining of that world in a modern setting. Alice was me going crazy
and creating my own story around what I imagined Wonderland would be
like today 150 years old.
While this is the first time Iíve really
tried to do a more traditional prequel to a fantasy story that is -
could be plausible - a plausible part of the mythology of Peter Pan. And
so it was - they were all daunting because theyíre all incredibly
But one of the things I think people
appreciate is that if you keep that story alive, keep reinventing, keep
trying something new, keep making up your own stories around that famous
story, then you always go back to the famous story itself and you keep
that something that we all treasure alive for longer. Thatís kind of how
I see it.
Stefan Blitz: Okay. Thank you. And would you - you know, are
there any other classic stories youíd want to adapt or would you have
any interest in - assuming that Neverland does great, would you want to
actually do Peter Pan proper with this cast?
Nick Willing: Why? Youíve got some money? Weíll give you a
pretty good deal. Iíll give you a very good deal.
I donít think Iíd go back to Peter Pan
because I donít know that I could find - you know, I donít know. I mean
I donít think so. But there are other stories that Iíd love to explore -
I mean youíre talking to a guy that
actually lives in a fantasy world. In my case, I live in many fantasy
worlds. I live in Neverland, Oz, Wonderland. So for me itís an intense
and vicious pleasure and the longer I can live in the fantasy world, the
better for me.
Anna Friel: It feels like (unintelligible) genre. You know,
that there were vampires for the last few years and now it feels that
the reinvention of fairy tales are coming too. And everyoneís got a
fascination with the retelling of those stories. I donít know
(Unintelligible) to name but a few and also the love of the prequel now
because the story - what came before, where was the writerís head when
we arrive at the beginning of these wonderful stories.
Stefan Blitz: Yeah. Yeah.
Operator: Our next question is from the line of (Patsy
Murana) with ShakeFire.com. Please go ahead.
Patsy Murana: Hey guys. Thanks so much for joining us today. My
question is for Anna. What were some of the challenges involved with
playing a female pirate captain that was so watchable and likeable but
still had her kind of tough edge and still wasnít going to take crap
Anna Friel: Oh, I love that you said watchable and
likeable. Thatís good. I did suppose I did my job if you think that.
Get into really tight, tight leather
trousers everyday and those corsets. Iíd say physically that was the
hardest thing and learning to use a sword as being - and wrapped up in
that tight corset. Being on the - what they call it when we did - you
know, we hung from on the - itís wasnít a trapeze. No.
Anna Friel: The harnesses. At least I didnít have to fly. I
know that must have been the hardest thing for Charlie. I didnít have to
I donít think - I donít look back at these
scenes and think of anything being hard. I just found it fantastic fun.
Maybe with the wind machines keeping the musket hats on.
(Unintelligible) - it was just - I have nothing but really fond memories
of it and I donít know. I feel like the remaining likeable wasnít really
kind of - wasnít my aim. It wasnít really something I had to do. It was
just becoming the character and finding an action that made us feel that
she came from the 1700s.
And also I think my biggest question to
Nick - when I accepted it I said but how am I going to be believable as
small as I am that Iíd run this ship surrounded by these huge, massive
burly men. Whoís going to take me seriously?
And Nick said well go online and research
female captains and pirates and I did and came across a wonderful one
called (Granuale) who Iíve since become kind of obsessed with. And itís
a story that we donít know but at that time so, so many years ago, women
did - there were certain women who ruled the seas.
Patsy Murana: Yeah. Great. Thatís really interesting. Thank you
Anna Friel: Thank you.
Operator: Our next question is from the line of Ian Cullen
with Scifi Pulse. Please go ahead.
Ian Cullen: Hi guys. How are you doing?
Charlie Rowe: Good, thank you. How are you?
Rhys Ifans: Good.
Ian Cullen: Iím good. Good. Iíve got a few questions. I
just want to ask Anna first could you tell us a little bit about your
role of Captain Bonny - the pirate queen and sheís completely a new
character. Iím just wondering what you can give us about or
(unintelligible) about the story.
Anna Friel: Have you seen it?
Ian Cullen: Unfortunately no. Iíve only seen a trailer and
it looks really interesting maíam.
Anna Friel: Well I think if - Iím not passing the buck but
I think if I hand that question first of all to Nick who created it, he
will answer it far more eloquently and articulately than I and then I
will tell you the bits that I feel but he created the character and I
think Nick it would be nice for you to explain why you chose to create
Captain Bonny and Iíll say what I did to embody that.
Nick Willing: Okay. Very briefly Captain Bonny is an
incredibly beautiful, vivacious rather nasty, slightly twisted and
irresistible captain of the Jolly Roger. You probably think that the
captain of the Jolly Roger was Michael James Hook but no. Itís - it is
actually this rather extraordinary woman.
And to find out why it is that she is the
captain of the Jolly Roger and how it is that Hook becomes eventually
its captain, you have to watch our movie because our movie is about how
it is that all these people became the people we know and love; itís a
And - but Anna - I have said that Anna
does it - does an amazing job of bringing her to life. Incredible. And
one of the roles of Captain Bonny in our film is to be the conduit, the
trigger for liberating Hook from the repressed Edwardian gentlemen that
he starts out as.
Anna Friel: And let me - (unintelligible) the Captain. She
was a woman whoíd been stuck on a ship with the same 20 men or 25 men;
however many - so two per 100 years or more. And when Captain Hook
arrives heís like a God thatís come from the sky and she wants all his
Sheís a very smart woman and has a great
understanding of astrology and I think makes a great captain but she
becomes instead greedy and wants more and more and more and I think
doesnít want to go back to her old life because she wonít have the power
that sheís discovered being in Neverland.
And Iíve just become fascinated with
female pirates. I think itís a more fantastic thing today. If I could go
back in history and be anyone, Iíd be a captain of a ship. Thanks very
Ian Cullen: Iíve got another question for Nick actually.
One thing I noticed from you in the trailer about Rhys was the
relationship between Peter Pan and Hook. It doesnít start off as
adversarial and you know Iím interested in knowing what - in learning
what made you use as a starting point that theyíre not (unintelligible)
Nick Willing: Well Hook is - for me I was interested in - I
mean maybe I should pass this to Rhys because I know he will say it
better than I could possibly say it but I was interested in Hook as a
boy also - as a character with a sort of Peter Pan syndrome who had yet
to grow up.
And the relationship between him and Peter
who looks up to him and wants to be like him and who admires him
enormously as a role model. And how in the gradual deterioration of that
friendship - that relationship and friendship because Hook wants things
that arenít always right for the world and for Peter and how that
relationship damages Peter to the point where he is the boy who doesnít
want to grow up.
That to me seemed like quite a good story
to tell. And it seemed like a modern story to tell. I mean I suppose
itís universal. It will always be told. But the idea that we arenít
always initiated in the way that we should be as men.
That about it. What do you think?
Rhys Ifans: Yes. It is. I think from what both Hook and
Peter are presented with when they arrive in Neverland is the prospect
of eternal life. And when you see him is in many ways a lost boy but a
grown man. And it was just interesting to explore what, you know, the
offer of eternal life does to a boy and what the offer of an eternal
life does to a man.
I think it makes a man greedy because a
man is closer to death than a child. So eternity to a child offers
goodness and eternal life to a man is essentially corrupting because it
involves a certain amount of vanity I think to embrace it.
Ian Cullen: Wow. Yeah.
Anna Friel: And has any story ever before explained why
Hook despises Peter so much. I donít think it has. Thatís what
fascinated me with the script is that you get the story before.
Ian Cullen: Yeah.
Anna Friel: Which therefore lies the prequel. Why does this
man hate this boy so much? In this case, he doesnít hate him. Heís just
Ian Cullen: Yeah.
Anna Friel: I think itís a great arrival at the story that
we all know. Thatís what I found most fascinating is - is that you
cleverly did Nick. Is giving that back story of what was the path
between them and youíve created that really beautifully.
Rhys Ifans: Itís something that works on very - on a very
modern level, you know. To, you know, father - son relationships and
also the way that Hook grew up in a very, repressed, sexually repressed
Edwardian society and what Captain Bonny offers him is total and utter
sexual liberation. And when you give that to a man, everything else
falls by the wayside, including their friends sometimes.
Operator: Our next question is from the line of Jason Hunt
with SciFi4Me.com. Please go ahead.
Jason Hunt: Hi. Thanks for the time today. This question is
for Nick. You mentioned earlier being really, really fixed on having Bob
Hoskins play Smee again after seeing him play Hook in Hook.
What was the process in getting him to
come back to that character and how different is this version of Smee
compared to the other version?
Nick Willing: Well it was very easy to get Bob to do it. In
fact, he said oh, good. Iíve done all the research already so he was
really up for it.
The - is he very different? He is a bit
different from the other Smee. My Smee or this Smee is the shipís
captain and heís a lover of fine cuisine and he sees the lost boys as a
very good, new source of fresh meat.
And so heís not quite the same Smee. I
mean these evil characters are all evil. I think one of the things I
wondered and thought was delicious about the book, the original book, is
how Barrie made all his evil characters funny and accessible and would
make jokes as theyíre killing people. I found that incredibly McCabe and
rather delicious. So I kind of tried to do a version of that with some
of the other characters like (Starkey) and Smee obviously.
But the thing about - the wonderful thing
about Bob Hoskins is that as soon as you see him on screen, heís like
seeing a very old friend, a cuddly old friend. He is actually very
cuddly in real life - it has to be said. We all cuddled him.
But when you see him, he looks like this
really sympathetic sweet, generous person and to make him a vicious
pirate seemed totally appropriate.
Jason Hunt: Now did you have any involvement from the Barrie
estate when you were putting this together initially?
Nick Willing: No. I donít - I didnít have any involvement in
the Barrie estate. I mean the one I would have liked to call is Barrie
himself. But unfortunately, of course, heís no longer with us but Iíd
love to be able to call him and say hey, what do you think? But weíre
always doing this of course and weíre always creating vivacious,
variance on famous stories; whether they be Shakespeare or the Greek
myths and itís always keeping them alive for us.
Operator: Our next question is from (Mike Smith) with
(Media Mics.com). Please go ahead.
Mike Smith: Hi. Good morning. Thank you for taking your time
tonight. Actually I have a quick follow-up to that last question which
was did the Barrie estate - did they have to approve this project before
it was made?
Nick Willing: No. No. I donít even think the - the books is in
the hands of the Great Ormond Street Hospital; the original book was
So there isnít really a creative voice as
I understand, to approach. But we did obviously approach the Hospital
and we donated a large sum of money to them even though the book is
technically out of copyright now and they no longer hold the rights to
the original book.
They - we still, you know, as a gesture of
appreciation and good will.
Erica Rubin: Nick, can you - we canít hear you. Are you - can
you hear us?
Nick Willing: Can you hear me now? Did you...
Anna Friel: I lost you too Nick.
Nick Willing: When did you lose me?
Mike Smith: Just after you had donated to the Hospital.
Nick Willing: Yes. I donít believe there is creative voice as
such that you can approach and ask about the story and the book but we
did approach the hospital and we donated a large sum as a gesture of
appreciation and good will but thatís kind of - thatís what we did but
we didnít - I donít know anyone else to contact, because the estate -
the book belongs to the hospital.
Mike Smith: Oh, okay. Thank you. And my question was for Rhys.
Rhys, you were brilliant in Anonymous and as an actor do you enjoy more
doing a period - more of a period film than modern day?
Rhys Ifans: Well, the joy of the period film is not your
take into another world, you know. And the costumes also I think in a
period piece determines the way you move and consequently the way you
breath and when the way you breath effects the way you think. So it is
always kind of a more of a transformation.
And especially in this case and I guess in
Anonymous, you know, it is joyous for any actor to enter other grounds
of consciousness and thought and thatís always, at the end of the day we
just like - we all like dressing up and playing around.
Operator: And our next question is from Jamie Ruby with
Scifi Vision. Please go ahead.
Jamie Ruby: Hi again. You guys started to kind of talk about
it a little bit but I specifically wanted to know if Charlie, could you
talk about kind of the stunts you did; especially the flying and
everything. Was that hard or?
Charlie Rowe: Yeah. Well, I donít think it was hard. I was just
in complete heaven. I was jumping around with swords, sword fighting
with Rhys and Anna Freil and it was strange and obviously the flying was
absolutely amazing being hauled up and down in this cold warehouse.
It was spectacular although it does hurt.
I really do not recommend it.
Anna Friel: You practiced - all I have to say on Charlieís
behalf - he practiced that all the time at the end of a very, very, very
long day of shooting. Sometimes 13 hours. Heíd be there in his little
(unintelligible) wrapped (unintelligible) in the harness and the same
with the whistle. Iíve never seen such a hard working young person.
Charlie Rowe: The whistle. God, I miss the whistle.
Charlie Rowe: Sorry.
Rhys Ifans: After all that harness work, your voice is
still dropping. You will be a man very soon. Donít you worry.
Jamie Ruby: So you played the whistle yourself too then?
Charlie Rowe: Oh yeah. Yeah. I had a penny whistle which I
played - which I play many songs on during the film. And you know
everyone thought it was great at first; the fact that I was learning it
and I learned many, many songs but I think it became a nuisance by the
end. You couldnít get it off of me. I was always with my whistle just
playing irritating music.
Jamie Ruby: Thatís great. And then lastly for all - for the
actors, when you were in the film and obviously you couldnít see what it
was going to be. I know you said you kind of were shown some things but
was it - when you finally saw the outcome, was it what you expected?
Like how did you feel about the results of all the effects and
Anna Friel: In absolute honest, I think whenever youíre
doing film for television, you look at the budget that you have which is
much more constricted than a movie budget and you think God, are they
going to be able to do what they say they are. And I know that when I
sat down to watch it certainly I was absolutely blown away and the
number of effects on it with a TV budget is just theyíve done absolutely
all they could.
I think itís spectacular and itís
everything that we imagined. All those photographs that Nick had on the
big board to say look. Itís not green. Donít see green. This is what
youíre going to see. When I watched - I could have watched it in various
stages when you could still see bits of green screen and when I finally
saw, and not that long ago, the final version, I was really, really
It was like everything that weíd been
shown and told they would do, they did and that doesnít happen very
Rhys Ifans: I think for me the most - the joyous part of
when we did the green screen stuff and there was quite a bit of it
toward the end, but the most thrilling part for me each and every day
was coming on set into this, eternity of green and having Nick describe
to us the world we were entering and he described it like, you know, the
best story teller youíve ever heard. So that - it was so inspiring to
hear him create these worlds with words.
Of course we had some photographic help
but his excitement in describing these worlds was so kind of addictive
in a way and I think thatís what Iíd be after too when they play. You
You know, what children - when they play a
stick can become a snake or a sword or whatever you want. And it engages
your imagination in almost a theatrical way.
And so I found it actually liberating
actually and thrilling to work on the green screen and then finally when
we got to see it, it was just a thrill beyond words and I think itís
Anna Friel: The effects do the (unintelligible). Heís very
much an actorís director so admit you hear it. Youíre very much an
actorís director. You did go - remember thatís (unintelligible).
Remember you want to (unintelligible). So think how youíll move. Think
what youíll do. It was meticulous - the directions because thereís only
so much computer work can do. It starts off with the writing, the
direction and then the performances.
Charlie Rowe: We often spent a long time trying to perfect just
the movement of the flying. Just the fact that getting the right pose
when you jump off and getting the right posture while youíre flying and
not trying to look like youíre in serious pain which you were 24/7. But
yeah. No, he did a great - Nick did a great job.
Anna Friel: Yeah. And never complained in the performance.
Nick Willing: No, but believe you to me. I just have to watch.
Itís you guys that are on there. I mean the things that I made them do
or they had to do for this book. Itís extraordinary that I had to bounce
around on spiders webs which was actually a green trampoline, hold them
and give these extraordinary performances even though - and sometimes
and echoed green warehouses. Itís hard to believe what they were capable
of doing. Itís quite an amazing - wait until you see the finished thing.
It just looks like theyíre there. I mean it...
Jamie Ruby: Iím not sure if we had the finished, finished
version but itís gorgeous.
Charlie Rowe: Thank you very much.
Jamie Ruby: Sure. Thanks.
Anna Friel: Thank you.
Rhys Ifans: Thank you.
Operator: And thereís no other questions at the moment. I
will now turn the call back to you Ms. Rubin.
Erica Rubin: I want to thank everybody very much for joining
today. Thanks especially to Charlie, Nick, Anna and Rhys for their
participation. Remember Neverland airs on Syfy Sunday, December 4th and
Monday, December 5th and I hope everyone has a wonderful week. Thanks
Charlie Rowe: Thank you very much.
Nick Willing: Bye guys.
Charlie Rowe: Thank you very, very, much.
Nick Willing: Bye.
Rhys Ifans: Bye. Thank you.
Anna Friel: Bye.
Anna Friel: Thank you.
Charlie Rowe: You guys too.
Nick Willing: Letís try and make a date. All right.
Anna Friel: Iíd really like to do that.
Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, that does conclude the
conference for today. We thank you for your participation and ask that
you please disconnect your line.
Nick Willing: Bye bye.
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