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Interview with Ben McKenzie of "Gotham" on
FBC PUBLICITY: Gotham Conference Call
September 19, 2014/10:15 a.m. PDT
Moderator: Good afternoon, ladies and gentleman, and thank you for standing by.
Welcome to the Gotham conference call with Ben McKenzie. At this time, all
participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question and
answer session; instructions will be given at that time. (Operator
instructions.) As a reminder, this conference is being recorded.
I would now like to turn the conference over to our host, Ms. Joanna Wolff.
Please go ahead.
Joanna: Hello, everyone, thank you for joining the Gotham conference call with
Ben McKenzie. As a reminder, Gotham premieres this Monday, September 22, at 8
p.m. on FOX. The pilot episode is available in our screening room, and all press
materials are on foxflash.com.
Now Iíd like to turn it over to Ben, and weíll begin taking questions.
Ben: Hey, guys.
Moderator: (Operator instructions.) Our first question comes from the line of
Jamie Ruby. Please go ahead.
Jamie: Hi, Ben, thanks so much for talking to us today.
Ben: Sure. My pleasure. Thank you.
Jamie: I really enjoyed the pilot. Can you talk about what it first was that kind
of attracted you to the part? I mean, were you a fan of this kind of genre in
Ben: You know, in all honesty, I worked with Bruno Heller last year on a pilot.
Southland was ending, we did a pilot for CBS that Warner Brothers produced and
it didnít go to series, and so Bruno called me this year, January or February of
this year, and said, ďI have a script that Iíve written. Iíd like to send it to
you, Iíve written the part of Jim Gordon with you in mind and Iíd like you to
take a look.Ē So it kind of started from that.
As far as the attraction, the opportunity to work with Bruno again was top of
the list. We had a very good time on the pilot and we really see eye to eye on a
lot of things, our sensibilities are similar. Itís both exciting to be a part of
this kind of mythology thatís been around for 75 years, but itís also a bit
daunting. So, I would say it was both an attraction and a cause for a series of
meetings to talk about how exactly this would work and how we wouldnít screw it
up and how I wouldnít embarrass myself completely and all those sorts of things,
which they more or less assured me, Bruno and Danny Cannon more or less assured
me that worst case it would only mildly fail. It wouldnít be a huge disaster, so
that was pretty much how it all came to be. Iím a fan of Batman, but not a
Jamie: Okay, great. Well, thank you so much.
Ben: Thank you. Appreciate it.
Moderator: Thank you, and our next question comes from the line of Mr. Curt
Wagner from RedEye. Please go ahead.
Curt: Hello, Ben.
Curt: Could you talk about, sort of tell us, what are the differences or
similarities in being a law officer in the city of Gotham and the LA hood of
Ben: Well, thatís a good question. The overall similarityís probably in the
mentality of law enforcement officers. The sense of wanting to really uphold a
sense of morality and make sure that the laws are enforced to the letter,
I just got an email from the guy that did some of our tactical training on
Southland, he was a cop in LAPD, just congratulating me on Gotham. They captured
a serial killer recently who was on the run in LA, blowing people away with
shotguns. Thereís bad stuff that happens in real life. In Gotham, itís more, we
want to keep the sense of realism, but at the same time it is fantastical and it
is meant to be a little bit more approachable in the sense that itís not so
In Southland it was much more, it was so real, that I think at times it could be
quite frightening. We donít want to acknowledge that people do terrible,
terrible things to each other. In Gotham, I think we want to have a little bit
more fun with it. We want to feel free to take a certain amount of liberty with
tactical stuff and just kind of give it more of a, sort of a, throwback to kind
of an old school gumshoe show, noir kind of conceit, with a little bit of cop
tactics in it, if that makes any sense.
Curt: Alright, and then Iím doing a profile on Robin Taylor and I was wondering
if you could talk about working with him and maybe his take on Penguin
[indiscernible] story about shooting with him.
Ben: Sure. Heís a phenomenally talented guy and an incredibly nice person. Letís
see, well one story that would sort of illustrate that is the scene where Iím
walking him to the end of the pier and end up almost putting a bullet in his
head, and instead pushing him off. We had to do take, after take, after take, to
get it exactly right and I kept grabbing him by the shirt collar, roughly, to do
this, to make it look real. And after four hours of this, he finally, very, very
politely said, ďUm, could you possibly not, could you possibly get the collar a
little bit more?Ē And he opened up his shirt and his chest was just bright red
from scratches everywhere. Heís the sweetest villain I think Iíve ever possibly
worked with, and I think that comes alive on screen.
Obviously heís playing more of a demented guy, but his charming, sort of, I
donít even know how to describe it. His charm comes through on screen, and you
end up kind of loving this little weasley henchman and almost rooting for him. I
think itís a brilliant turn and itís completely unlike, or largely unlike,
anything youíve seen from Penguin before. And thatís exactly what weíd like to
do with all of the villains on this, is give them latitude to make it their own
and to not feel as though theyíre doing some imitation of some other actor whoís
played a villain before.
Curt: Alright, well thanks, Ben, and congrats.
Ben: Thank you. Appreciate it.
Moderator: Next question comes from the line of Dan Seitz with UPROXX. Please go
Dan: Hello, Ben. Thank you for taking the time.
Ben: Sure. Thank you.
Dan: My question was, simply, Gordon is famous for, among other things, his
moustache. Were there any conversations about making you grow out that facial
hair in the first season or are you leaving that aside for now?
Ben: I had lengthy conversations with Bruno and Danny about everything else.
Lengthy, lengthy conversations about all sorts of things, meeting after meeting.
And then as soon as it hit the internet that I was doing it, it felt like all
anyone wanted to talk about was whether I would have a moustache or not, and I
thought about ringing Bruno and being like, ďUh, one last thing I forgot toóĒ We
just literally never talked about it. And then I brought it up to him and he
goes, ďNo, that would look ridiculous on you. Weíre not doing that.Ē You know,
itís 20 years before he can grow into the maturity and wisdom that it takes to
sport a moustache, and thatís the line weíre sticking to. Maybe 20 years from
now the moustache will feel, you know, earned.
I can grow it. For the record, I can grow the moustache. If you think that I
canít, you should watch Junebug. So itís not, Iím not afraid of the moustache, I
just donít feel itís appropriate for the image.
Dan: Thank you so much.
Ben: Thank you.
Moderator: Our next question comes from the line of Brandon Mulholand from
Brandon: Hello, Ben. Do you feel that your work on Batman: Year One has offered
you any additional insights into these characters, and if so has it translated
at all to your work on Gotham?
Ben: I donít know, Iíd like to think so. Iíve always been a fan of Year One, even
before I did the voice of Bruce, Batman, for it. And so it was an opportunity to
reread it as an adult and look more closely at it in terms of how to interpret
it on screen, albeit just my voice, not my body. So I would say it certainly
pulled me in a little bit closer, and then when Gotham came about, and Geoff
Johns sent me a bunch of literature, including Gotham Central and Long Halloween
and the like.
I think it certainly helps to understand what this is all coming out of, and
what itís all coming out of is, of course, the comics that have evolved wildly
over 75 years. So, I think you pick certain reference points, at least
stylistically, and then you need to go out and do what you would do on any other
job, which is to work on the script and work with the directors and your fellow
actors to breathe those scenes to life, playing your beats and playing your
objective. Not really doing anything different than you would do on any other
job except that you know that thereís a certain heightened style to it, if that
makes any sense. So thatís basically what I do.
Brandon: One other quick one. I saw that you recently received a head injury
during the filming of a fight scene and, first off, I hope that youíre okay.
Ben: Thank you. I am. Thank you very much.
Brandon: Good. Secondly, I was wondering how much of your own stunt work do you
actually handle, and are stunts a major part of the show?
Ben: I try to handle as much as I can, as much as I feel comfortable with. We
have a great stunt team lead by Norman Douglas, our stunt coordinator. I do as
much as I can. Stunts are, or action is a big part of the show. That being said,
itís all coming from a, sort of a central conceit, aesthetic conceit of the
world that weíre portraying being more swift and brutal than it is operatic and
You know, if Jim is in a fight, he wants to get it over with as quickly as
possible and take out whoever he has to take out as swiftly and efficiently as
possible. So itís more in the, kind of, brutal military fashion than it is, kind
of, more kung-fu style acrobatic stuff. There hasnít been a lot of wirework and
things like that yet. We may get to that point, but I would prefer that this guy
is portrayed for what I think Bruno, Danny, and I agree he is, which is an old
school hero, which is just a man, completely fallible, who canít jump over
buildings or fly though the air. He has to use what heís got and he has to
occasionally lose. I think that grounds it in more of a sense of reality. So
thatís kind of what weíre aiming for, but, that being said, each passing episode
the fight scenes get more and more complicated, so we may end up there anyway,
Brandon: Thank you very much for your time.
Ben: Thank you. Appreciate it.
Moderator: Our next question comes from the line of Maggie Pehanick with
POPSUGAR. Please go ahead.
Maggie Hello, thank you for taking our questions today. A lot of people are so
excited about the villains on the show, and I know Penguin is going to be in a
huge arc this season. Who is your favorite Batman villain, and then, also, has
there been any talk of including some of these less human enemies into the show,
like Killer Croc or Clayface?
Ben: Because heís front and center in the pilot, Iím really excited for people to
see what Robin is doing with Penguin. I have a weird soft spot in my heart for
Nigma, Iíve always liked The Riddler. I know that is a very unorthodox choice, a
lot of people hate The Riddler, but I find The Riddler fascinating. Scarecrow, I
think is really cool.
There has been no talk thus far, that I am aware of, and Iím not in the writerís
rooms, obviously, of the non-human Batman villains. I think weíll start with the
humans, and then weíll branch out from there. But, again, itís early days. Weíre
only eight episodes into shooting, so weíve hopefully, knock on wood, got a long
way to go and we can bring those people in, if need be, or non-people in, if
Maggie Alright, thank you so much.
Ben: Thank you.
Moderator: Our next question comes from the line of Erin Willard with SciFiMafia.
Please go ahead.
Erin: Hello. Thanks so much for talking with us today. I really love the pilot, I
canít wait to see more. Do you have a favorite episode or storyline so far?
Ben: Well, Iím not sure how much I can spoil. We come to a place around the
seventh episode, where certain things come to a head and Jim is kind of put in a
situation where he has to take action, and Iím pretty fond of it. I havenít seen
it cut together, we just shot it, but Iím pretty fond of it. Bruno wrote the
pilot, the first episode back, and then wrote the seventh episode, so Iím a big
fan of whenever he writes the episodes directly. We have a great team of
writers, but it all kind of comes out of his demented mind, so Iím very excited
I really think that the episodes that Iíve seen, Iíve only seen the first three,
are really strong, and they have different things going for them. Whatís nice is
that in the pilot, alone, as youíve seen, weíve laid the groundwork for an
enormous number of characters to kind of spring out, and weíve hopefully laid a
foundation for a world in which you can walk down any alley in Gotham, and
encounter some bizarre human being who might become a villain or a hero, or
might get killed immediately. And thatís a very exciting maze to walk through,
and I think that presents us with, I donít want to say unlimited opportunities,
but bountiful opportunities for characters as we go forward.
Erin: Great. I really love it. Thanks so much.
Ben: Thank you. Appreciate it.
Moderator: Okay, and our next question is coming from the line of Suzanne Lanoue
from The TV MegaSite. Please go ahead.
Suzanne: I was wondering, can you talk a little bit about any kind of interaction
with your costars and how you developed a working relationship with them? You
have really great chemistry with them.
Ben: Thank you. Well, Donal and I had never met before, but there are a lot of,
sort of, two degrees of connection between us, and Iíd always heard great things
about him. I worked with his sister on Southland for an episode. She played a
hooker and I had her by the throat in a crappy alley in downtown LA, and she was
You know, the reputation that Donal has is a real gamer, a guy who comes in and
does the work and is a team player and brings an enormous amount of life to
every character that he brings, humor and pathos. So that was a real, kind of,
easy connection, and I think we realized very early on. I think from the moment
we were both, kind of, announced, we reached out to each other and just said,
you know, we got to make this as good as we can because itís going to live or
die, at least the pilot, on, in large measure, whether we like these two guys
individually and together, whether we like this partnership.
At the end of the day, we are relying a little bit on that old cop conceit, two,
a mismatched pair of cops. And to find a way of doing that that feels authentic,
and is endearing, in a way, is interesting to watch. So, with him it was easy.
We have a great cast, I mean all the way up and down the line. I would lie to
you, and probably tell you that even if we didnít, but we do, actually. Everyone
is coming and working, and working hard, and just focused on the work, and as
long as that stays that way we should have a great show, and a great environment
to work in, and Donal and I will make sure that happens, so itís all going to be
Suzanne: Cool, and you have great chemistry with the kid that plays Bruce, too.
Ben: David is amazing. David is a really terrific actor, he really is. He
listens, which is an incredibly hard thing to teach anyone, and itís something
that I struggle with now, any actor struggles with. Itís the hardest thing to do
on camera, I think. With all the chaos of the film set, TV set, is to just
listen to what the other actor is saying to you, and how theyíre saying it in
that moment, from take to take, and he does. Heís terrific, and he couldnít be a
nicer young man. He was obviously raised correctly, and heís perfect for Bruce,
so that was easy, too. Heís more calm than I am, Iím kind of blown away
Suzanne: Great, thank you.
Ben: Thank you.
Moderator: The next question comes from the line of Steve Eramo from Sci-Fi & TV
Talk. Please go ahead.
Steve: Hello, Ben, thanks for your time today.
Ben: Thank you.
Steve: I wanted to find out if maybe you could tell us, what was perhaps some of
the initial acting challenges you found stepping into this role and, sort of,
becoming comfortable with the character?
Ben: The initial challenge is to not let the mythology, the degree to which
Batman and all of its mythology has permeated all aspects of pop culture and
society, not let that overwhelm what is, at the end of the day, just an acting
gig. Itís great acting gig. Itís a little more public than others, but at the
end of the day, its just a part that you play on, in this case, a TV show, and
you have to treat it like any other.
You have to look at the script. I mean, I believe, my school of acting is there
is no character, no such thing as Ďthe character.í There is no Jim Gordon or
Bruce Wayne or Batman, for that matter. There is only the script and thereís the
actor thatís playing the part. If you cast 1000 different actors as Jim Gordon,
youíd get 1000 different Jim Gordons, and as long as I was able to sort of
breathe and that, that was helpful.
When it comes to understanding him, and playing him, it was conversations with
Bruno about, well who is he? You know, there are a lot of plot mechanics in the
pilot alone that have to get, sort of, ironed out in order to tell the story and
to set up the world that weíre setting up, and it has to happen awfully fast,
but if we donít understand his point of view coming in to it, and we donít
believe his point of view, weíre going to have trouble.
So a lot of what I was talking about with Bruno is, he canít come in completely
naive and completely blown away by the corruption in Gotham. He can be
idealistic, but he has to understand that people are capable of terrible,
terrible things, because heís a war hero. He served overseas, heís seen terrible
So as long as he understands how bad people can be to each other, and yet he
rejects that and still believes in such a bizarre concept as right and wrong,
then his whole, sort of, point of view is framed and it can kind of all proceed
from there. And then as we go forward in the season, and in the show in general,
he can become more and more surrounded by the powers that be in Gotham, and his
own moral compass can be thrown off. He will have to make deals with the devil
in order to get along in Gotham and to make progress, and so that journey, I
think, is kind of fascinating, but we started with a sense of morality and a
real sense of experience.
Steve: And then, Ben, just a follow up question, and I hope I phrased my question
correctly. I wanted to find out, what would you say makes a career in this
industry rewarding for you, so far?
Ben: I mean, I need to be proud of what Iím making and engaged in what Iím
making. That was one of the things that I was concerned about with something
this big, is that there can be so many cooks in the kitchen that we lose the
through line of a guy trying to clean up a city, and a guy trying to bring some
sort of justice to an unjust world. So what I hope for in a career is work that
Iím proud of, and friendships, and working relationships with all sorts of
people, and make a little bit of money, and provide for a family eventually, and
that sort of stuff.
Steve: Excellent. Listen, thank you again for your time. Best of luck and success
with the show.
Ben: Thanks a lot. Appreciate it.
Steve: Take care.
Ben: Thank you.
Moderator: Our next question comes from the line Sam Maggs with The Mary Sue.
Please go ahead.
Sam Hello, Ben, thanks so much for taking the time to answer our questions
Sam So Gotham has a lot of really excellent female characters in positions of
power. Can you tell us a little bit about Gordonís relationships with his boss,
Sara and with baddie Fish?
Ben: Absolutely. Youíre right, there are a lot of powerful characters in Gotham,
and I think whatís kind of great about Gotham, is that we can portray a society
that is similar to ours, perhaps, but in which there is no even understanding of
racism or sexism, itís all just whoever is battling for power in a city thatís
completely fallen, and Fish Mooney is really good at it. Sheís an enforcer for
Carmine and sheís really tough, sheís really smart, she uses her sex appeal to
get what she wants, and Jada just kills it. Sheís just really, really strong and
powerful and interesting and funny, at times.
And then Essen, Captain Essen, played by Zabryna, is kind of stuck in a hard
place because as captain of the GCPD, she has to answer to a number of different
bosses, not just her superiors in the department, but effectively, in some
senses, the mob themselves, because they have such deep ties to the police
department and to the mayorís office that sometimes her hands are tied. That
being said, she wants to catch whatever criminal weíre chasing in that
particular week, and she wants to support her detectives, and so over time,
Gordon sort of earns her respect and her trust and her support, and eventually,
youíll see down the line, sheíll put herself out on a limb for him.
Some of the first season is Jim figuring out which cops in the department he can
trust, and which ones he canít, and thereís some surprising twists and turns in
those relationships. Some people that you would think would be his enemies are
actually kindred spirits, and he needs to assemble a team, going forward, that
he can actually use to bring justice.
Sam Thank you so much.
Ben: Thank you.
Moderator: And our final question comes from the line of Henry Hanks with CNN.
Please go ahead.
Henry: Hi, Ben, nice to talk to you today.
Henry: Iím wondering, what do you think is the reason why comic books have really
taken off over the last few years on television and film?
Ben: I donít know. I guess I would say, at this point, 75 years into Batman,
comics have kind of become American folklore. Theyíre sort of what we have as a
newer country to pass down from generation to generation, and to evolve from
generation to generation, to fit the society in which we live. And Batman is a
really interesting example of that in the sense that he is a vigilante fighting
for justice in an unjust world and I think thereís an awful lot of cynicism
around us, and so we can all relate to the idea of having this caped crusader
out there fighting for us, and fighting for justice.
Henry: Thank you.
Joanna: Alright, thank you, everyone, for joining the call today and thank you,
Ben, for your time. Again, Gotham premiers Monday, September 22nd at 8 on Fox
and I hope everyone has a good rest of their day.
Ben: Thank you guys, Goodbye.
Moderator: Ladies and gentleman, that does conclude our conference for today.
Thank you for choosing ATT and for your participation. Everyone have a great
day. You may now disconnect. Thank you.
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