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Interview with Donal Logue of "Sons of Anarchy" on FX 11/28/12

Final Transcript
FX NETWORK: Sons of Anarchy
November 28, 2012/10:00 a.m. PST

Kristy Silvernail, FX Media Relatoions
Donal Logue, Sons of Anarchy, ĎLee Toricí

Moderator Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by and welcome to the Sons of Anarchy conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later we will conduct a question and answer session. Instructions will be given at that time. As a reminder, todayís conference is being recorded.

I would now like to turn the conference over to our host, Miss Kristy Silvernail. Please go ahead.

K. Silvernail Good morning and welcome to the Sons of Anarchy conference call with special guest star Donal Logue, who plays ĎLee Toric.í As a reminder, the 90-minute Season 5 finale of Sons airs next Tuesday, December 4th at 10 p.m. Eastern and Pacific only on FX.

With that said, letís go ahead and take the first questions.

Moderator Our first question comes from the line of Jamie Ruby with Please go ahead.

J. Ruby Hi. Thanks so much for talking to us today.

D. Logue No problem.

J. Ruby Can you first just talk about how you got this part? How did it all come about?

D. Logue Iíve been kind of talking to Kurt [Sutter] about doing something on the show for the last three years. What had happened was invariably he would always have a conversation with me like 42 seconds after I had committed to doing another pilot. Two years ago it was Hallelujah, this thing for ABC. Then last year I had done a western called Tin Star for TNT, neither of which ended up going.

I was like, oh my God, I really, I would love to join the show. Iím not going to know untilóthey let you know. I just basically couldnít join, and not for lack of Kurt trying to get me on. Then this year finally we had a meeting, and he was like I think I have an idea for this guy. It has been something we have been trying to do for a while.

J. Ruby Well, is it everything you hoped it would be? What has been your favorite part so far?

D. Logue My sister obviously had worked on the show for the couple of episodes prior, and a lot of the crew on the show were people I had worked with before on both Terriers and Ö and different shows. What Karina said to me when she started working was, ďOh my God, everybody is just so nice and so cool.Ē

Iíd have to say my favorite thing about working on the show, and something that might be intriguing to other people is that even though the world is so ─ itís just such an amazingly welcoming environment to work on that set. You know, itís not too cool for school and alienating. Itís totally the opposite. I think my favorite thing has been to have known all those guys a little bit. We kind of see each other around the block over the years, but to finally get to jump in there and work with them has been like a complete and utter treat.

I just think the show is really good. Iím a fan of the show. Itís really the first time Iíve jumped on something that I was kind of actively engaged, and just following myself so I could get excited about it in that way. Iíd have to say overall just, I donít know, just from cast to crew, and certainly from Kurt and Paris Barclay and on down like everybody has just been so great that it was just a really, I donít know, it sounds so absurd to go with such a kind of fun experience, but you know what I mean.

Theyíre serious about the work. Look, I have a small, small thumbprint on a big moving mural thatís been in play for years and years. It was just kind of a really thrilling little ride on this big world of Sons of Anarchy.

J. Ruby Great, thanks so much.

Moderator The next question comes from the line of Rick Porter with Zap2it. Please go ahead.

R. Porter Hi. Thanks for your time this morning, Donal.

D. Logue Hey, Rick. Yes.

R. Porter Iím curious, first of all, if you were cast before your sister or if it was sort of at the same time, and if one had anything to do with the other?

D. Logue Well, it was interesting because in the case of Terriers, when Karina did Terriers, Shawn Ryan had already worked with Karina, my sister. He knew her before he knew me. We sat down at the beginning of the season and he said, ďWhat do you think about this?Ē Ted [Griffin] and Shawn sat me down. ďYouíre going to have a crazy sister.Ē I said, ďThatís great. Iíve got three.Ē You know, because I have three sisters. He goes, ďNo, yeah, weíd really like ĎHankí to have a schizophrenic sister. I think Karina would be awesome.Ē

On this one it was different in that Kurt knew that he wanted to have me as this guy, but then he told Wendy OíBrien, the casting director, ďI need someone who looks like the female Donal Logue.Ē She was like, ďWell, you know his sister Karina is a really great actress?Ē He said, ďNo, I didnít know that at all.Ē So it was funny. Thatís how that went down.

R. Porter Okay. Whatís your read on ĎToricí that was, you know, heís obviously a very intense guy in that last scene in last nightís episode with him sitting on the floor with a bunch of guns on the bed, was a little scary.

D. Logue Well, itís interesting because, you know, and heís reading Artaud, right?

R. Porter Yes.

D. Logue What I really love about Sons of Anarchy, and what I love about Kurt is in a weird way he has such a kind of fluid ─ he navigates really kind of fluidly through both these incredibly gritty street-level worlds, and heís a very kind of aridite intellectual, too. Our Ö thing was kind of smashing, like the theater of cruelty was just shaking people up through kind of a shocking, not sadistic violence or something, but just shock value. Like, okay, so if you passively like war and support the war effort, Iím bringing the body of a seven-year-old child who gotóyou know, like, Iím going to show you what war is.

R. Porter Yes.

D. Logue Everybody is like, this guy is so bad, this guyís sister was brutally murdered by an outlaw organization that engages in illegal activities. I get it. I root for the underdog and I root for the bad, you know, I understand where the anti-hero stuff comes. I think ĎLee Toricísí game is that, I understand, you want to say ─ oh, in our world these things happen and this is part of the game and thereís collateral damage. Iím going to bring a shocking level of violence to you to show you that youíre perspective and perception of what is right and wrong is wrong. I think itís a kind of a really powerful moral stance.

Of course, Kurt knows me, and we know each other well. When I read this description of him, I thought, oh, what a kind of interesting creation of this guy who marries the kind of intellectual with the violent world. ĎToricí is a Harvard educated special forces guy who was a roguish U.S. Marshal, but what I love about it is that I have a feeling with this guy that even in the scene with ĎTaraí where sheís tough and sheís kind of ─ sheís come up and sheís been playing this game for years, heís been playing this game for decades. Itís like; I think youíve seen some stuff? Iíve seen bodies hanging from bridges. This is the world I come from, and Iíve been doing it for a long time.

Go plot, go spin, go try and figure out what Iím up to, but Iím five steps ahead of you. You know, itís The Outlaw Josey Wales. This has taken something very personal, this whole, this world has taken something very personal from him, and I donít think he cares. I think he was utterly fair when he said to her, ďI believe that you didnít know what this guy, what his intentions were, but I believe my niece and nephew thought they were going to grow up with a mother.Ē

R. Porter Right.

D. Logue I donít think heís, I think heís up to some pretty intense scheming, but I donít think heís necessarily like, you know, I donít think he would have done it if someone wouldnít have killed his sister. Letís put it that way.

R. Porter Right. Okay, thanks a lot.

D. Logue Yes, youíre welcome.

Moderator Our next question is from the line of Fred Topel with CraveOnline. Please go ahead.

F. Topel Hi, Donel. First, what are you watching on T.V. right now besides Sons?

D. Logue Iím pretty much way behind.

F. Topel Thatís okay. What are you behind on?

D. Logue Iím behind on, Iím really behind on everything. I just, after I finished Sons I went to Ireland to work for a while so I was out of T.V. land. I am excited to start Downton Abbey, which Iíve never seen any of, and I have to get caught up on Game of Thrones, which I have DVRíd up at my house in Oregon. I would say that is about what I am intrigued to get into right now.

F. Topel Okay, so next week do you wrap up or will this continue into next season?

D. Logue Itís interesting because I think itís fair to say that thereís, I think itís fair to say that whatever heís got to do might take a while to do. I didnít know exactly like what the parameters were in terms of talking about the beyond, but I think ĎLee Toricí is a pretty significant threat to these guys. I think that, Iím implying that it could go somewhere deeper and further.

F. Topel Do you still think about what a Season 2 of Terriers might have been?

D. Logue Oh, yes. All the time. In fact, I had a really a really good hang with Michael Raymond-James yesterday, and we muse about it. We muse about shooting our own little Indie film version of Season 2. I have to say that it was a thrilling kind of ride to be on Terriers, and of course it was really this kind of odd circumstance where it was really loved by the people it was loved by, but it didnít really do well. In fairness to FX, they were just so generous in keeping it on the air the whole year.

There is something about it, especially I talked to some people in Europe who had seen it, and it really played to them like a BBC mini-series. It ended on this kind of really kind of beautiful existentialist kind of moment, and so to me it felt like a complete document. I miss it, of course, but I felt like however that all 13 tied up I felt like at least we have that, and it feels kind of ─ Michael and I joked about what if it just started going downhill after that and becoming absurd? At least it has this tight little package thatís really nice. Iím kind of having fun moving on and doing all these other things.

F. Topel Great. Great to talk to you again for Sons.

D. Logue Oh, thank you.

Moderator We will open the line of Mandi Bierly with Please go ahead.

M. Bierly Hey, Donal. Thanks for taking the time.

D. Logue Oh, youíre welcome.

M. Bierly Youíve teased that he has this intense scheme. Iím wondering if itís safe to say that we will see him use one of those guns in this finale. Iím thinking check off gun; weíve seen it, it has to go off.

D. Logue Itís so hard, like I have ─ and itís funny because I have never really worked on anything before where anyone would care about spoilers.

M. Bierly We know heís shooting, but does he fire a gun?

D. Logue I canít really say. I wouldnít, I donít think that ─ Look, the finale is action-packed because I was there at the read-through and around for some of the filming. I think itís kind of an interesting ─ my trajectory is a little different in that so, but some scary stuff goes on. I think in this instance Iíll say youíll just have to tell people theyíll have to watch.

M. Bierly Okay. You said you were at the table-read obviously, and then at filming. Is there anything you can say about the atmosphere, without spoiling anything, just what was the atmosphere like at the table-read?

D. Logue Itís great. You know, itís just a really good group of people. I will have to say, though, that Iím not sure if it was for the finale, but I remember at some point it was very sobering. At some point at one of the table reads, it basically was the morning that the news had come out about their former cast mate, Johnny [Lewis], you know, because these were filmed a few months back.

M. Bierly Yes.

D. Logue You know, it was pretty somber, and there was a kind of a bit of discussion about that and stuff. Itís been a really interesting journey.

I knew Tommy [Flanagan] barely and Mark Boone Junior. Iím really good friends with Danny Trejo. Iíve knownÖthe show Life, and so I kind of knowóand Kim [Coates]. I knew people, but not well, and so it was just really fun to kind of get to know these people in the last few months, and work with them.

Itís interesting because I always felt when I did ER, I was kind of like a recurring guy for a little while on ER, similar thingóthis is a big, mega-hit in mid-run, and youíre coming in for a tiny thumbprint. It always surprised me that the most successful and really amazing shows were also the happiest kind of environments, and welcoming. Theyíre not like, ďHey, weíre ER, so donít you show up and come rolling in with a gurney and blow your lines.Ē

M. Bierly Yes.

D. Logue No, there wasnít that kind of vibe. I have to say that. What I love about it, too, is when they discover at the read-through some heavy kind of ─ I remember for two episodes back when my character is introduced at the read-through. I have those scenes with ĎOtto.í At the end theyíre just reading the narrative, the action that ĎTaraí walks down the hall, and then this guy, this ĎLee Toricí guy gets up and starts following her and the kids. I just remember all the guys who were sitting at one table all look up like, ďWhat? Youíre going after the kids?Ē People are deeply involved and invested in the stuff that is happening in the show. It has been very interesting, I have to say.

M. Bierly After your first episode, we had a crazy number of searches. We ran a first look of you in the character, and then I didnít want to spoil it for people because clearly in the episode it was supposed to be a mystery, but I linked back to that post in case they wanted to find out. We had like 20,000 people who wanted to know. Did you have a lot of people asking you who the character is after the first episode?

D. Logue Yes, yes. I love that sense of mystery about it. I probably should have done a better job. It would have been better if they had no connection to who he was, concerning the nurse, until last nightís episode. Yes, but itís been really fun because you see how deeply, deeply invested in this show people are.

Thatís kind of like the gift of ─ there are many gifts to one-hour television. I always feel like the coolest thing about it is the way Dickens used to write. It would come out in these kinds of like installments. Every month these bits of David Copperfield, or Oliver Twist, or whatever that people are really waiting around. Theyíll finish it and theyíll get a kind of depression because they canít wait to get that next bit of information because they are so into it. Thatís kind of like this serialized nature of Sons of Anarchy.

People are really ─ I love that thatís what people ─ people were hitting me up. People even out in public were like, ďWhat are you up too? Are you trying to kill the kids?Ē I thought itís kind of cool to be involved in something that has that level of passion and interest.

M. Bierly Yes. My last question here is did you do anything interesting to prepare for the role? Playing sort of this ─ we saw the pill bottles ─ I donít think heís crazy, but definitely an intense character. What did you do to sort of get in that mindset?

D. Logue Heís not crazy. You know itís so interesting, I donít know the full story. He might be dealing with some kind of pain and stuff.

M. Bierly Okay.

D. Logue I donít think heís crazy, and I donít think that heís ─ I had this interesting conversation with David Kelley years ago because I was on The Practice for a little bit. I was mad at their law firm because I was an assistant district attorney, and this guy that we had been chasing for a long time that had $300,000 worth of cocaine on him was basically successfully defended by their law firm, and sent back into public. Everyone kept referring to my character as ďthe dickĒ because it was my name, but it was a joke that Iím a dick. I was like, hold on. They wanted me to go to a party dressed as a penis from Ally McBeal or something because they had this prop. Iím like, look, Iím just an attorney whoís trying to keep cocaine off the streets. Why am I the Ö?

M. Bierly Yes.

D. Logue Right? You guys, I get it; youíre slimy. Youíre good defense lawyers. The country needs it, and I respect it, but Iím not a jerk. Iím not a jerk for being intense about someone smuggling a murder weapon in to kill my sister. I would probably be a jerk if I was nonplussed about it.

What happened was, itís kind of Outlaw Josie Walesí style. You picked the wrong person. You just werenít aware of who you messed with when you ─ if you mess with someone youíre always taking that risk that they have a family, and that they have people who are vengefully minded. My characters are always utterly sympathetic to me, if that makes any sense.

M. Bierly Yes.

D. Logue I think heís a bright guy. I just think that heís ─ whatís interesting is, we had talked about this before even with Kurt, that a lot of times youíll either have existing law enforcement types who are maybe antagonistic, but start to shift the longer they are around the club. This is the first time someone comes in from a satellite, from beyond, and is very skilled and is very experienced, and also has from the get-go a super particular ax to grind. I like the idea that itís kind of, and I think that people have mentioned this to me; it just feels to them like a threat of a different level.

M. Bierly Yes.

D. Logue Thatís fun to play.

M. Bierly Alright, well, thank you. Appreciate it.

D. Logue Yes, youíre welcome. Thank you.

Moderator Our next question is from the line of Lena Lamoray with

D. Logue Cool.

L. Lamoray Itís nice to speak with you again.

D. Logue How are you?

L. Lamoray Good. How are you?

D. Logue Iím good.

L. Lamoray Great. Now what was it like working with Peter Weller?

D. Logue Peter Weller is fantastic. Peter I had met years ago. When I met him on the set here I said, ďLook, I met you years ago. Youíre not going to remember. Of course, I do.Ē

We have a really good mutual friend named Corey Brennan who was truly this Renaissance genius guy who was a great punk rock guitar player. He was in the Lemonheads and Bullet LaVolta, but he also won this huge American Academy in Rome prize for this piece of scholarship he did on ─ heís a classic scholar. Then he went to Bryn Mawr and Princeton.

When Corey was in Rome 20 some years ago he was like, ďMan, you wonít believe it. Iím hanging out with Buckaroo Bonzai, with Peter Weller. Heís awesome.Ē Weíve always had this kind of mutual friend. Thatís kind of all we talked about was Corey Brennan when we were hanging out on the set.

I actually donít care because itís fine either way, but I really like it when a really good actor is directing you. I just, I kind of just love the notes that Peter Weller gave me. The same goes for Paris Barclay and for Kurt. I think Kurt is a really good actor also, by the way. It was a particular personal circle time thrill to work with Peter Weller.

L. Lamoray Can you talk about some of the projects that you have coming up, because Iím really looking forward to Vikings?

D. Logue Yes, thatís basically ─ Iíve done some smaller films that are kind of intriguing. I did a film with Katie Cassidy and Tracy Spiridakos who is the lead in Revolution, that new show. We did this Indie movie up in Canada last year that I thought was good.

Vikings is this Michael Hirst drama, the guy that wrote Elizabeth, and created The Tudors, and worked on The Borgias, and stuff. I clocked this for a long time, and I tried to get in on it forever, but I think that they initially were just hesitant about having an American join a pretty international cast. It ended up working out, and so I came on Vikings not unlike I came on Sons, at the end of a season maybe setting up some potentially further important story lines. I just got back, but I can say it was a really fantastic experience. I think itís going to be great.

L. Lamoray All of the Terriers fans wanted me to ask you if you filmed any scenes with Rockmond [Dunbar]?

D. Logue No, I didnít. I would say not yet. I didnít, but Rock and I certainly spent a lot of time hanging out, which was great.

L. Lamoray Thatís wonderful. Thank you so much.

D. Logue Yes, thank you. Itís good to talk to you again.

L. Lamoray You too. Thanks.

D. Logue Bye.

Moderator Our next question is coming from the line of Earl Dittman with Wireless Digital. Please go ahead.

E. Dittman Hey, Donal. How are you this morning?

D. Logue Iím good, thanks, Earl. How are you?

E. Dittman Doing great. Iíve covered this for years, and the fan following for this show is just the most amazing for any show Iíve ever covered or watched and loved myself personally. The fans are just rabid, theyíre crazy. They are wonderfully crazy and passionate about the show.

I went on this morning to look at, and they pick up on the weirdest things. The one thing that I did want to ask you about because it was kind of curious to me, somebody said something here that on ĎLee Toricísí bed there was a name of a book called Watchfiends and Rack Screams. They said they Googled it, and couldnít find much about it but Ö . Do you know what it is? What the book was? Did you read it? Do you know what it is?

D. Logue Artaud was this French writer. A-r-t-a-u-d, and I think that he was also famously ─ he spent a lot of time in mental institutions. He walked that thin line between. He was a genius, and he was mentally ill probably.

What was fascinating about him ─ Iím no scholar of Artaud, and I have read some in the past, but I will tell you that how it plays with Sons of Anarchy in a weird way too, is that he didnít believe that there was much of a difference between art and life. He thought that artís duty was to be as real as life, and to be just basically shocking and brutal. To hit you in your face so hard that it broke the kind of comfortable veneer with which you perceive reality. In a weird way, the way that Sons of Anarchy does that and comes at you with this brutality.

I had mentioned in another question before, but what was interesting about his take on things, and the way I saw it in terms of ĎLee Toricí was Artaud basically would say, ďOkay, you kind of like violence? You like war? Iím going to stick ─ Let me take you down to the morgue and just shove your face into a dead body just so you can see how much ─ now this is, do you like what this is?Ē He feels like society is always like I think we should go and do this.

E. Dittman Right.

D. Logue No oneís looking at the bodies on the floor. No oneís standing there. No oneís getting their face shoved in it. He said the only way that people can come around and see things, have a correct perception for how they should really be, is if that happens to them through art, or through life, or whatever.

I think that in a weird way what I have adopted is on one level itís kind of like what Sons is about. On the other level, I think that what he feels like, ĎLee Toricí chose some 30 years ago when he went into the military that he was going to take on the bad guy. Heís kind of an intellectual guy, so he can always qualify it in different ways. He fought crime. He was involved in some kind of high-level, big intense, dark stuff when he was a U.S. Marshal.

I think his thing is, I dip into all these worlds where people can say, well, in that world, in the cartel world, in the motorcycle club world stuff happens. People get killed. You know the rules. Itís kind of amoral in this kind of way. I think his thing is Iíll shock you with ─ to make you see whatís right and wrong, Iím going to come at you ten times heavier. If that makes any sense.

E. Dittman Oh, definitely.

D. Logue I think thatís what was kind of genius about Kurtís choice of who heíd be reading to get strength and buffet his crusade. Heís on a crusade.

E. Dittman Yes. Just to point out how observant the fans really are. I didnít think, when I saw the scene I just thought heís got the pills, the guns, and a book, and I kind of glossed over it. They are so analytical of every little scene. This morning after reading last nightís episode, itís like theyíve got pages and pages about every little thing. The injection to ĎWendy,í itís just amazing how these people analyze this show. In a great way, I think itís incredible because I get involved with it sometimes myself. I am such a fan of the show.

D. Logue I do, too. Whatís interesting, too, is with social networking and the way media is working now, too, that the enjoyment of the show is the show, but then for a lot of people there is another week of forums to investigate, and other people to run ideas around.

E. Dittman Right.

D. Logue It gives you kind of a more complete experience, you know.

E. Dittman Yes.

D. Logue I like it. I like that; itís just like do you have to study music theory to appreciate Beethoven? No. At the same time, when you know a lot of the weird history about it, you get a deeper appreciation. The fact that people care enough to be like, I wonder what heís reading? I wonder what that authorís about. I just think itís great that people get into it like that.

E. Dittman Did you know, before I let you go, that consensus is you are playing a scary character, but everyone likes the fact that you are on the show from what I have been reading through today. Youíre doing a great job, and Iím glad that youíre on it. Iím glad that you finally made it on there because we certainly love the character, and I know you canít say because Iím kind of under a gag rule sometimes too. I canít really talk about much, especially when I become a fan, but hopefully weíll be talking to you next year.

D. Logue Okay.

E. Dittman Thanks so much, Donal. Appreciate it.

D. Logue Alright, thank you. Okay.

Moderator Our next question is from the line of Adam Lawton with Please go ahead.

A. Lawton Hey Donal. How are we doing, man?

D. Logue Iím good. How are you?

A. Lawton Very good. Thanks for talking with us. Iíve been a big fan going back to ĎJimmy the Cab Driverí days.

D. Logue Oh, excellent.

A. Lawton When you were meeting with Kurt about doing the show and this character, did you guys come up with the character together? Did he have it, and he was like here do your own thing, or was it kind of scripted as to what he exactly wanted from you?

D. Logue He just knows me pretty well. It was all Kurt. Itís basically like he knew me well enough to go, ďDonít worry. When you come back I think I have the perfect suit that will fit you well.Ē It feels like a custom-made role.

Itís interesting because I had been talking to him for a couple of years about joining the show in different capacities. Iíd have to say that this is ─ it just kind of worked out for the best that this is the way it went down because I love this character. I love this kind of foreboding; heís a pretty fascinating guy. Even when I read it, I was kind of like, ďWow, thatís interesting. How does he have free reign in prison? How does it turn out that heís not even actively involved in law enforcement anymore?Ē

A. Lawton Right. Yes. Very cool. Now was this the initial role that Kurt had come to you with the first couple of times he had asked you to do the show?

D. Logue No. No, we talked about different parts on the show.

A. Lawton Okay.

D. Logue One that never even actually came to ─ this would always be before they went into ─ like this was before the season would start. Then it would be interesting because they might think that one was something that they might have done already, another one was a part that they ended up not doing because the whole season structure had changed.

A. Lawton You also have Silent Night coming out here at the end of this week. Can you tell us a little bit about your role in that?

D. Logue I had a really fun experience on Silent Night, but I wasnít there that long. I hadnít seen the original. This young director named Stephen Miller from Florida, who did some kind of really cool, wild, super low-budget, Indie stuff, has really made this mark for himself in that genre world.

He asked me to do this thing, and I had a choice of a couple of parts. There was this one ─ I donít know ─ itís another spoiler kind of weird thing. Heís a weird kind of Santa that you ─ heís a drifter. What I liked about this drifter was that he went off on these rants that were really kind of interesting, and funny, and kind of heart-breaking. I thought ─ I like that kind of stuff. I like doing speeches in a weird way. Iíve been lucky because Iíve had a lot of characters over the years who literally are the guys that ─ even on this Viking show that I just did ─ theyíll do this three or four page speech, and everyone is like, ďWe havenít had that much dialogue in the show so far.Ē

Iím fine with whatever, but sometimes itís just fun to do those little ─ itís kind of like acting stunt driving. I think that Silent Night is going to be kind of a fun ─ it felt like one of those Ď70s ─ it felt like the kind of golden era of that genre.

I have had long talks with a lot of my friends about this, but I always feel about ─ first of all, itís always feels best to do work on something real thatís good. It feels very comfortable doing stuff on Sons of Anarchy. The writing is great and the level of acting chops around you is always very high. Itís very easy to go in there and take your place. Youíre in a good environment that is being supported from all sides.

It is fun as an actor because after Terriers I was really bummed out. I actually went to truck driving school. Iím not trying to be overly crazy dramatic about it, but I just was kind of like I feel grounded out by the ─ Iíve been doing this for a couple of decades, and I kind of lost the joy. I ended up doing this really goofy, but really fun experience in this other horror-type film.

I went and did a comedy improv show in San Francisco. I was at a theater and I saw this ─ it was one of those old theaters that hadnít played since the Ď30s and Ď40s ─ and I looked around at these pictures of Burgess Meredith and Ernest Borgnine and stuff, and all the different shows they did. I realized guys like Burgess Meredith when you read their obituary; it was like he appeared in over 300 movies and 7,000 episodes of television and 1,400 productions on Broadway. It was so insane. Thatís what you do. You just go from part to part to part to part and you embrace what is different about all the different parts. I had a particularly good time getting to hang out with Malcolm McDowell and Jaime King.

A. Lawton Very nice.

D. Logue They are fantastic people, but God he is a great guy. Itís weird when youíre around one of those guys that ─ when I was a younger kid coming up and Clockwork Orange of course ─ he was that connective tissue. I am such a huge fan of all of the kind of ─ Richard Harris, Peter OíToole; that school of great English actors. Malcolm is this piece of connective tissue historically that was connected. He never tired, and he was so generous, telling me anything that I needed to know about anything. Malcolm is a great guy.

A. Lawton Very cool. Looking forward to seeing the film when it comes out here this weekend, and the rest of what you have planned for Sons of Anarchy. Appreciate it.

D. Logue Alright, thank you.

A. Lawton Alright, yes, goodbye.

Moderator Our next question comes from the line of Joel Murphy with Hobo Trashcan. Please go ahead.

J. Murphy First of all, since it has been mentioned a lot; I just want to say that I was a huge fan of Terriers, and of your work on it.

D. Logue Thank you.

J. Murphy My actual question for you though is I just kind of curious. Obviously you donít want to give away spoilers and you donít want to talk about details, but you and Kurt Sutter, in general, I wanted to know what kind of discussions did you have about the character leading up to playing it, just philosophically and just in sort of discussing where the guy was coming from and how to play him.

D. Logue What was interesting was we had conversations about it, and I think philosophically about who he is was determined by Kurt, and actually kind of touched upon a long time ago when we first discussed it. What took me by surprise, because I wasnít around for the kinds of bits and pieces leading up to it, was how heís introduced through the death of the sister.

What I love about the show, in a weird way, too, is that a lot of people have come in to their world from my world even though Iím not maybe active law enforcement anymore. When they have the old ATF investigation and stuff is that people come in because their job is to go after different organized criminal groups. Itís just their job. Weíre doing it in this town in Northern California. We might be doing it South Carolina next. Itís kind of like a competitive sport.

I even remember years ago talking to Kurt about that, and thereís almost kind of a respect, too, in this regard. Your job is to be the cop, and my job is to be the robber. In this case, this guy is coming into their world like The Outlaw Josey Wales. He is motivated by perhaps the basic and most primal of human ─ look, I got a big kick, a big jumpstart on everything in my world with them because of just straight-up vengeance. Charles Bronson-style you murdered my sister.

J. Murphy Following up on that a little bit, do you think that scene with ĎTara,í do you think heís already made up his mind about her or when heís interviewing her do you think he really is trying to figure out how guilty she is?

D. Logue I think that heís the kind of guy, when I ask you a question Iím not asking you to discover something; I just want to know if youíre lying to me or not. Iím asking you a question, I know the answer, so just think carefully on what youíre going to tell me because a lot is going to be determined by how you answer this. Donít think I need to know this information. I like the way he doled it out, and I like the way that she picked, and it was such subtle stuff.

Peter Weller is really good. Itís like at first itís very human, because itís true. Iím this guy and thatís my sister and you were there, and I have questions that need to be answered. She goes into ─ and it was shocking for her as well. She says, ďPlease sit down.Ē The guy just stands up and moves closer. The way I feel about it is, especially with ĎTara,í and this is just me as a fan of the show having watched it and the progression, sheís come into this world from another world, and sheís discovered that she has kind of an acumen. She has kind of the backbone and strength to do things that she probably didnít think she was capable of before.

From my perspective, when I watch her squirm a little bit because I drop little bits of information like; he was your patient, this was the third time. Then as soon as she knows that I have that specific knowledge, she is like, ďWho are you?Ē I know more then. It was time to kind of drill, itís time to go in there and go, ďLook, I know whatís up. I know she brought the thing, and I know that she came back the same day.Ē

If you want to play this game, this guy ĎLee Toric,í this is a game Iíve been playing for 30 years with Mexican drug cartels, with mobs. Iíve been down this road. You think youíre good at this? This is what I do. Thatís what I like about this character, and in a weird way the fansí reactions because I think that Kurt really came up with someone who, in a weird way, he comes from ─ it feels like a weightier threat in a weird way.

Heís coming from such a different world and heís so powerfully motivated with revenge. Heís so mysterious. Even the popes of the world, who were very scary and powerful guys, you know that they are based out of Ö . You know where they are, you kind of know how to ─ I donít know, this guy is kind of coming in from a satellite in outer space, and is very rogue, and like a lone assassin. I think that I like the foreboding that surrounds ĎLee Toric.í

J. Murphy Thank you very much.

D. Logue He knew what was up. He just asked her to confirm stuff.

J. Murphy I appreciate it. Thanks.

D. Logue No problem.

Moderator Our next question is from the line of Jamie Ruby with

J. Ruby Hi again. Other people have been mentioning some of your other roles. I was wondering, going off topic for a second, if you could just talk about when you worked on The X Files. Thatís when I first saw you.

D. Logue Oh, yes. Okay, is that 1992 or so?

J. Ruby Something like that.

D. Logue Is that twenty-two years ago, twenty-one or more? I worked on The X Files before it came out, before it aired on television. It was just ─ how wild was it to be around when I look back. Gillian [Anderson] and David [Duchovny] are both really good people, and I think Chris Carter is a really nice guy. It was so fun to be on something where people didnít really know, they were just making this show, they didnít know what a phenomenon it would become.

The X Files, I think a few years later I was in a pretty remote place in the South Pacific like an island near Fiji, and people were like X Files Ö . I was like, oh my God, the reach of this show is so bizarre, and people are so into it. It was fun to have kind of been around that before it became what it became.

J. Ruby Okay, great. Do you have any dream role that you havenít played yet? Either a kind of role, or a character, or something like that?

D. Logue Iíd have to say that this last run of the last few months, I jumped on Sons of Anarchy, and I kind of saw it to the conclusion of the season. There are some heavy duty question marks about whatís up for next season.

I jumped in on this show about the Vikings that Michael Hirst wrote, who Iíd always been a huge fan of. He wrote Elizabeth, and wrote The Tudors, and The Borgias, and stuff like that. I went to Ireland to film in Ireland, and I played this king. I play this guy named King Horik, who is an actual historical king of the Vikings. When the Vikings first started doing their raids outside of what is Scandinavia, when they started going to England and terrorizing the hell out of everybody.

In between these two parts, and itís not big stuff, and youíre not in every scene, but there was something really ─ doing ĎLee Toricí intoÖwas probably my favorite. The last few months have been my favorite kind of months as an actor.

I would say that Terriers ─ I feel like if someone had to say what do you do? How would you describe your work or your style? I would say watch the whole season of Terriers, and if you think itís good, thatís great. If you donít like it, I respect that. Thatís kind of what I do.

Iíve been having fun, and then Iím doing this kind of weird ─ Iím specking out. I have this little thing going with bad robots because Iím friends with J.J. Abrams. Iím doing this thing that could be kind of interesting. Itís really experimental.

Iím just kind of having fun as an actor right now. What I do miss, and this sounds so bogus, but I would love to, at some point maybe when my kids are in college, just go do a whole season at the Oregon Shakespeare Festival or something, and do a year of plays. Just do stage work. I think that most actors miss that, the days of live theater. My buddy is the artistic director up there, a guy named Bill Rauch. That would be fun.

J. Ruby Okay, great. Well, thank you so much.

D. Logue Thank you.

Moderator Our next question is from the line of Lance Carter of the Daily Actor. Please go ahead.

L. Carter Hey, man.

D. Logue Howís it going?

L. Carter Alright. I did an episode of Terriers with you. You were just the coolest, nicest guy on set.

D. Logue Which episode was it, Lance?

L. Carter It was Episode 11. It was the flashback episode. You and Rockmond, you arrested me and tossed me in jail.

D. Logue Right off the top?

L. Carter Yes, good memory. Yes, yes, yes.

D. Logue When my friend Steve, who playedÖwas like, ďAlright, perv.Ē Or whatever he said.

L. Carter Yes, yes, yes.

D. Logue Cool, man. Great.

L. Carter That was me. When I was there, I do this semi, not occasionally, but when I get a good shot when Iím on set, I get nervous. Especially the first day. Are you ever, when you come in and do a guest spot your first day there, are you ever really nervous?

D. Logue It was so funny because someone asked me about that. I just feel like ─ I remember I was playing in this, there wasÖ, but I played on this soccer team called Hollywood United. Thereís a lot of old ex-international pro-players and stuff, and we played this benefit match beforeÖplayed at the Rose Bowl. The crowd had streamed in for the big match. Itís so nerve-racking to go out into a stadium, and you just feel a billion eyes upon you when you mess up your touches just because itís an overwhelming environment. I was talking to one of those guys about it and they were like, ďOh, yes, but itís thrilling.Ē Theyíre used to it.

A college football star, by his senior year, heís used to running out there with 110,000 people going nuts, and they feel comfortable in that environment. That feels homely to them. To me, a set feels like that. The one thing that I do know is that, as long as Iím prepared, I know this environment. I know this world. I think nerves show that you care a little bit. The game is never to let them overwhelm you to where you canít operate because the whole thing is to kind of breathe and to listen.

I think that especially, and you were on the Terrier set and you would feel this way about Sons of Anarchy, itís not a kind of a place where people are ─ itís not the kind of environment thatís making people feel bad if they mess up. Itís kind of a welcoming, warm environment, which is what you try to create. It doesnít help anybody, and it works that way a lot.

They say you can judge a country by the way it treats its prisoners or whatever. You can always kind of judge a show by the way it treats people coming on doing these guest shots, and sometimes they are very tricky things in the middle of a thing where people have been running really hard, and theyíre in their groove. I have seen a couple of environments where itís not very friendly to guys coming in. Just think of how this person must feel coming into this world.

I just love it when people are ─ I loved it when I was coming up when people were welcoming to me so I didnít feel that pressure of not being the kind of new guy screwing up. I love the opportunity to play it that way now that I have more experience. I get nervous, but itís been my sport for a long time. I feel comfortable in that environment.

L. Carter Yes. One more question. Whatís your advice to actors?

D. Logue Do plays and do it. It really does boggle the mind when people ─ when they think of acting as something other than a craft that you need to continue to do always. Itís a kind of growing, organic skill. I always thought, and I had an argument with a friend of mine who is kind of into it, but doesnít really ─ a lot of people are like how do I get on a T.V. show, and make money or whatever.

I was like, dude, you are a guy who has the coolest leather jacket and jeans, and a really old Gibson Les Paul, and a cool haircut. And youíre like, okay, I want to be the lead guitar player in a famous rock band touring the country making lots of money. Okay, can you play guitar? No, but look at me. Do you know scales? Do you know chords? No, check me out. A lot of people feel that way about acting. Youíve got to pretend like youíre a guitar player, man, and youíve got to know scales and ─ you canít just look cool and do it. Itís about ─ and also, you deny yourself the joy of ─

When I started acting when I was in college, there was no theater department at Harvard. I went as this kind of do-gooder student government type who wanted to go into international relations and a quasi-academic kid. I got into acting, and there were so many people there doing plays in their dorm rooms and basements. It was a school full of people, at least they were type-A, and were getting stuff done and trying stuff. They were really self-motivated.

When I get into that scene, I really do feel like if you want to do it you can do it anytime, anywhere. Especially now. Today, actually, Iím going down to Santa Monica to just be a homeless guy, and run around, and do some really weird experimental film thing with some friends of mine. It feels like the joy of college again in a weird way.

If youíre an actor, you need to get involved. Even if you get five cool friends together. People will go, ďWell, I canít get into those fancy schools.Ē Or, ďI canít join, itís expensive.Ē It doesnít take anything to find five or six cool people, and go choose a play, and put it up in someoneís back yard if you have too. Learn how to act, and show a passion for it. You canít tell people how you are going to get an agent and all this kind of stuff. Your chances increase if youíre working and people see you doing something interesting. Thatís the million dollar question for all of us starting out, and theyíre two different things.

People get bad professional advice. I donít think that they should go to all these ─ there are all these schools in different little cities that say this guy is good because he has deep Hollywood connections. None of that stuff is really necessarily true, and it doesnít really help. The thing that will help you the most is to have a passion for it, and to actually engage in it. Whether youíre a kid coming up in Portland, Oregon and youíre doing plays, or youíre thinking about moving to New York, or you want to go study. I know Michael Raymond-James was a member of the Actorsí Studio. I think those kinds of things ─ because those guys ─ a lot of people are big stars or whatever and they go back on Tuesday and Wednesday nights and they work out scenes with other people just to keep the ─ like athletes ─ just to keep the machine sharp.

I know that thatís not the best, people donít really want to hear the advice. I started truck driving a couple of years ago, and I went to truck driving college. I got my license, and we started this little trucking company. Trucking is one of those things that I guess Iím licensed to do, I am licensed to do, and I have done. Compared to ─ Iíll tell you in a truck stop, and my partner, this guy named Bud Williams, heís been driving big rigs since he was eight, and the difference in skill between me and him is like the difference between five and ninety-nine on a scale from one to one-hundred.

That is just because this guy has been doing it forever and loves it. You need to treat acting, you canít think of acting as being something about looking cool and feeling inspired. Itís about doing it, if that makes any sense.

L. Carter Yes, yes.

D. Logue I need to keep driving. I will never get as good as Bud, but Iíll be as good as I could or should be. The coolest thing about acting is that anyone can do it, anywhere, anytime, at any age, and you donít have to look a certain way. Only you can have the right to tell your story the way youíre supposed to, and thatís what I think is amazing about acting as an art form. Everybody can fit into the world.

L. Carter I thought that was awesome, man.

D. Logue Cool, thank you so much. Does everyone listen to all this stuff? Am I boring the hell out of everyone?

K. Silvernail Iím sure youíre not boring anybody, but I see that was the last question in the queue, so we will let everybody get off the phone at this point in time. Thank you again so much to everybody for participating today. Donít forget to tune in to the Season 5 finale next Tuesday at 10 p.m. Eastern/Pacific.Thanks again, and you can now disconnect.

D. Logue Thank you. Good bye.

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