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Interview with Donal Logue of
"Sons of Anarchy" on FX
FX NETWORK: Sons of Anarchy
November 28, 2012/10:00 a.m. PST
Kristy Silvernail, FX Media Relatoions
Donal Logue, Sons of Anarchy, ĎLee Toricí
Moderator Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by
and welcome to the Sons of Anarchy conference call. At this
time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later we
will conduct a question and answer session. Instructions
will be given at that time. As a reminder, todayís
conference is being recorded.
I would now like to turn the conference over to our host,
Miss Kristy Silvernail. Please go ahead.
K. Silvernail Good morning and welcome to the Sons of
Anarchy conference call with special guest star Donal Logue,
who plays ĎLee Toric.í As a reminder, the 90-minute Season 5
finale of Sons airs next Tuesday, December 4th at 10 p.m.
Eastern and Pacific only on FX.
With that said, letís go ahead and take the first questions.
Moderator Our first question comes from the line of Jamie
Ruby with scifivision.com. Please go ahead.
J. Ruby Hi. Thanks so much for talking to us today.
D. Logue No problem.
J. Ruby Can you first just talk about how you got this part?
How did it all come about?
D. Logue Iíve been kind of talking to Kurt [Sutter] about
doing something on the show for the last three years. What
had happened was invariably he would always have a
conversation with me like 42 seconds after I had committed
to doing another pilot. Two years ago it was Hallelujah,
this thing for ABC. Then last year I had done a western
called Tin Star for TNT, neither of which ended up going.
I was like, oh my God, I really, I would love to join the
show. Iím not going to know untilóthey let you know. I just
basically couldnít join, and not for lack of Kurt trying to
get me on. Then this year finally we had a meeting, and he
was like I think I have an idea for this guy. It has been
something we have been trying to do for a while.
J. Ruby Well, is it everything you hoped it would be? What
has been your favorite part so far?
D. Logue My sister obviously had worked on the show for the
couple of episodes prior, and a lot of the crew on the show
were people I had worked with before on both Terriers and Ö
and different shows. What Karina said to me when she started
working was, ďOh my God, everybody is just so nice and so
Iíd have to say my favorite thing about working on the show,
and something that might be intriguing to other people is
that even though the world is so ─ itís just such an
amazingly welcoming environment to work on that set. You
know, itís not too cool for school and alienating. Itís
totally the opposite. I think my favorite thing has been to
have known all those guys a little bit. We kind of see each
other around the block over the years, but to finally get to
jump in there and work with them has been like a complete
and utter treat.
I just think the show is really good. Iím a fan of the show.
Itís really the first time Iíve jumped on something that I
was kind of actively engaged, and just following myself so I
could get excited about it in that way. Iíd have to say
overall just, I donít know, just from cast to crew, and
certainly from Kurt and Paris Barclay and on down like
everybody has just been so great that it was just a really,
I donít know, it sounds so absurd to go with such a kind of
fun experience, but you know what I mean.
Theyíre serious about the work. Look, I have a small, small
thumbprint on a big moving mural thatís been in play for
years and years. It was just kind of a really thrilling
little ride on this big world of Sons of Anarchy.
J. Ruby Great, thanks so much.
Moderator The next question comes from the line of Rick
Porter with Zap2it. Please go ahead.
R. Porter Hi. Thanks for your time this morning, Donal.
D. Logue Hey, Rick. Yes.
R. Porter Iím curious, first of all, if you were cast before
your sister or if it was sort of at the same time, and if
one had anything to do with the other?
D. Logue Well, it was interesting because in the case of
Terriers, when Karina did Terriers, Shawn Ryan had already
worked with Karina, my sister. He knew her before he knew
me. We sat down at the beginning of the season and he said,
ďWhat do you think about this?Ē Ted [Griffin] and Shawn sat
me down. ďYouíre going to have a crazy sister.Ē I said,
ďThatís great. Iíve got three.Ē You know, because I have
three sisters. He goes, ďNo, yeah, weíd really like ĎHankí
to have a schizophrenic sister. I think Karina would be
On this one it was different in that Kurt knew that he
wanted to have me as this guy, but then he told Wendy
OíBrien, the casting director, ďI need someone who looks
like the female Donal Logue.Ē She was like, ďWell, you know
his sister Karina is a really great actress?Ē He said, ďNo,
I didnít know that at all.Ē So it was funny. Thatís how that
R. Porter Okay. Whatís your read on ĎToricí that was, you
know, heís obviously a very intense guy in that last scene
in last nightís episode with him sitting on the floor with a
bunch of guns on the bed, was a little scary.
D. Logue Well, itís interesting because, you know, and heís
reading Artaud, right?
R. Porter Yes.
D. Logue What I really love about Sons of Anarchy, and what
I love about Kurt is in a weird way he has such a kind of
fluid ─ he navigates really kind of fluidly through both
these incredibly gritty street-level worlds, and heís a very
kind of aridite intellectual, too. Our Ö thing was kind of
smashing, like the theater of cruelty was just shaking
people up through kind of a shocking, not sadistic violence
or something, but just shock value. Like, okay, so if you
passively like war and support the war effort, Iím bringing
the body of a seven-year-old child who gotóyou know, like,
Iím going to show you what war is.
R. Porter Yes.
D. Logue Everybody is like, this guy is so bad, this guyís
sister was brutally murdered by an outlaw organization that
engages in illegal activities. I get it. I root for the
underdog and I root for the bad, you know, I understand
where the anti-hero stuff comes. I think ĎLee Toricísí game
is that, I understand, you want to say ─ oh, in our world
these things happen and this is part of the game and thereís
collateral damage. Iím going to bring a shocking level of
violence to you to show you that youíre perspective and
perception of what is right and wrong is wrong. I think itís
a kind of a really powerful moral stance.
Of course, Kurt knows me, and we know each other well. When
I read this description of him, I thought, oh, what a kind
of interesting creation of this guy who marries the kind of
intellectual with the violent world. ĎToricí is a Harvard
educated special forces guy who was a roguish U.S. Marshal,
but what I love about it is that I have a feeling with this
guy that even in the scene with ĎTaraí where sheís tough and
sheís kind of ─ sheís come up and sheís been playing this
game for years, heís been playing this game for decades.
Itís like; I think youíve seen some stuff? Iíve seen bodies
hanging from bridges. This is the world I come from, and
Iíve been doing it for a long time.
Go plot, go spin, go try and figure out what Iím up to, but
Iím five steps ahead of you. You know, itís The Outlaw Josey
Wales. This has taken something very personal, this whole,
this world has taken something very personal from him, and I
donít think he cares. I think he was utterly fair when he
said to her, ďI believe that you didnít know what this guy,
what his intentions were, but I believe my niece and nephew
thought they were going to grow up with a mother.Ē
R. Porter Right.
D. Logue I donít think heís, I think heís up to some pretty
intense scheming, but I donít think heís necessarily like,
you know, I donít think he would have done it if someone
wouldnít have killed his sister. Letís put it that way.
R. Porter Right. Okay, thanks a lot.
D. Logue Yes, youíre welcome.
Moderator Our next question is from the line of Fred Topel
with CraveOnline. Please go ahead.
F. Topel Hi, Donel. First, what are you watching on T.V.
right now besides Sons?
D. Logue Iím pretty much way behind.
F. Topel Thatís okay. What are you behind on?
D. Logue Iím behind on, Iím really behind on everything. I
just, after I finished Sons I went to Ireland to work for a
while so I was out of T.V. land. I am excited to start
Downton Abbey, which Iíve never seen any of, and I have to
get caught up on Game of Thrones, which I have DVRíd up at
my house in Oregon. I would say that is about what I am
intrigued to get into right now.
F. Topel Okay, so next week do you wrap up or will this
continue into next season?
D. Logue Itís interesting because I think itís fair to say
that thereís, I think itís fair to say that whatever heís
got to do might take a while to do. I didnít know exactly
like what the parameters were in terms of talking about the
beyond, but I think ĎLee Toricí is a pretty significant
threat to these guys. I think that, Iím implying that it
could go somewhere deeper and further.
F. Topel Do you still think about what a Season 2 of
Terriers might have been?
D. Logue Oh, yes. All the time. In fact, I had a really a
really good hang with Michael Raymond-James yesterday, and
we muse about it. We muse about shooting our own little
Indie film version of Season 2. I have to say that it was a
thrilling kind of ride to be on Terriers, and of course it
was really this kind of odd circumstance where it was really
loved by the people it was loved by, but it didnít really do
well. In fairness to FX, they were just so generous in
keeping it on the air the whole year.
There is something about it, especially I talked to some
people in Europe who had seen it, and it really played to
them like a BBC mini-series. It ended on this kind of really
kind of beautiful existentialist kind of moment, and so to
me it felt like a complete document. I miss it, of course,
but I felt like however that all 13 tied up I felt like at
least we have that, and it feels kind of ─ Michael and I
joked about what if it just started going downhill after
that and becoming absurd? At least it has this tight little
package thatís really nice. Iím kind of having fun moving on
and doing all these other things.
F. Topel Great. Great to talk to you again for Sons.
D. Logue Oh, thank you.
Moderator We will open the line of Mandi Bierly with EW.com.
Please go ahead.
M. Bierly Hey, Donal. Thanks for taking the time.
D. Logue Oh, youíre welcome.
M. Bierly Youíve teased that he has this intense scheme. Iím
wondering if itís safe to say that we will see him use one
of those guns in this finale. Iím thinking check off gun;
weíve seen it, it has to go off.
D. Logue Itís so hard, like I have ─ and itís funny because
I have never really worked on anything before where anyone
would care about spoilers.
M. Bierly We know heís shooting, but does he fire a gun?
D. Logue I canít really say. I wouldnít, I donít think that
─ Look, the finale is action-packed because I was there at
the read-through and around for some of the filming. I think
itís kind of an interesting ─ my trajectory is a little
different in that so, but some scary stuff goes on. I think
in this instance Iíll say youíll just have to tell people
theyíll have to watch.
M. Bierly Okay. You said you were at the table-read
obviously, and then at filming. Is there anything you can
say about the atmosphere, without spoiling anything, just
what was the atmosphere like at the table-read?
D. Logue Itís great. You know, itís just a really good group
of people. I will have to say, though, that Iím not sure if
it was for the finale, but I remember at some point it was
very sobering. At some point at one of the table reads, it
basically was the morning that the news had come out about
their former cast mate, Johnny [Lewis], you know, because
these were filmed a few months back.
M. Bierly Yes.
D. Logue You know, it was pretty somber, and there was a
kind of a bit of discussion about that and stuff. Itís been
a really interesting journey.
I knew Tommy [Flanagan] barely and Mark Boone Junior. Iím
really good friends with Danny Trejo. Iíve knownÖthe show
Life, and so I kind of knowóand Kim [Coates]. I knew people,
but not well, and so it was just really fun to kind of get
to know these people in the last few months, and work with
Itís interesting because I always felt when I did ER, I was
kind of like a recurring guy for a little while on ER,
similar thingóthis is a big, mega-hit in mid-run, and youíre
coming in for a tiny thumbprint. It always surprised me that
the most successful and really amazing shows were also the
happiest kind of environments, and welcoming. Theyíre not
like, ďHey, weíre ER, so donít you show up and come rolling
in with a gurney and blow your lines.Ē
M. Bierly Yes.
D. Logue No, there wasnít that kind of vibe. I have to say
that. What I love about it, too, is when they discover at
the read-through some heavy kind of ─ I remember for two
episodes back when my character is introduced at the
read-through. I have those scenes with ĎOtto.í At the end
theyíre just reading the narrative, the action that ĎTaraí
walks down the hall, and then this guy, this ĎLee Toricí guy
gets up and starts following her and the kids. I just
remember all the guys who were sitting at one table all look
up like, ďWhat? Youíre going after the kids?Ē People are
deeply involved and invested in the stuff that is happening
in the show. It has been very interesting, I have to say.
M. Bierly After your first episode, we had a crazy number of
searches. We ran a first look of you in the character, and
then I didnít want to spoil it for people because clearly in
the episode it was supposed to be a mystery, but I linked
back to that post in case they wanted to find out. We had
like 20,000 people who wanted to know. Did you have a lot of
people asking you who the character is after the first
D. Logue Yes, yes. I love that sense of mystery about it. I
probably should have done a better job. It would have been
better if they had no connection to who he was, concerning
the nurse, until last nightís episode. Yes, but itís been
really fun because you see how deeply, deeply invested in
this show people are.
Thatís kind of like the gift of ─ there are many gifts to
one-hour television. I always feel like the coolest thing
about it is the way Dickens used to write. It would come out
in these kinds of like installments. Every month these bits
of David Copperfield, or Oliver Twist, or whatever that
people are really waiting around. Theyíll finish it and
theyíll get a kind of depression because they canít wait to
get that next bit of information because they are so into
it. Thatís kind of like this serialized nature of Sons of
People are really ─ I love that thatís what people ─ people
were hitting me up. People even out in public were like,
ďWhat are you up too? Are you trying to kill the kids?Ē I
thought itís kind of cool to be involved in something that
has that level of passion and interest.
M. Bierly Yes. My last question here is did you do anything
interesting to prepare for the role? Playing sort of this ─
we saw the pill bottles ─ I donít think heís crazy, but
definitely an intense character. What did you do to sort of
get in that mindset?
D. Logue Heís not crazy. You know itís so interesting, I
donít know the full story. He might be dealing with some
kind of pain and stuff.
M. Bierly Okay.
D. Logue I donít think heís crazy, and I donít think that
heís ─ I had this interesting conversation with David Kelley
years ago because I was on The Practice for a little bit. I
was mad at their law firm because I was an assistant
district attorney, and this guy that we had been chasing for
a long time that had $300,000 worth of cocaine on him was
basically successfully defended by their law firm, and sent
back into public. Everyone kept referring to my character as
ďthe dickĒ because it was my name, but it was a joke that
Iím a dick. I was like, hold on. They wanted me to go to a
party dressed as a penis from Ally McBeal or something
because they had this prop. Iím like, look, Iím just an
attorney whoís trying to keep cocaine off the streets. Why
am I the Ö?
M. Bierly Yes.
D. Logue Right? You guys, I get it; youíre slimy. Youíre
good defense lawyers. The country needs it, and I respect
it, but Iím not a jerk. Iím not a jerk for being intense
about someone smuggling a murder weapon in to kill my
sister. I would probably be a jerk if I was nonplussed about
What happened was, itís kind of Outlaw Josie Walesí style.
You picked the wrong person. You just werenít aware of who
you messed with when you ─ if you mess with someone youíre
always taking that risk that they have a family, and that
they have people who are vengefully minded. My characters
are always utterly sympathetic to me, if that makes any
M. Bierly Yes.
D. Logue I think heís a bright guy. I just think that heís ─
whatís interesting is, we had talked about this before even
with Kurt, that a lot of times youíll either have existing
law enforcement types who are maybe antagonistic, but start
to shift the longer they are around the club. This is the
first time someone comes in from a satellite, from beyond,
and is very skilled and is very experienced, and also has
from the get-go a super particular ax to grind. I like the
idea that itís kind of, and I think that people have
mentioned this to me; it just feels to them like a threat of
a different level.
M. Bierly Yes.
D. Logue Thatís fun to play.
M. Bierly Alright, well, thank you. Appreciate it.
D. Logue Yes, youíre welcome. Thank you.
Moderator Our next question is from the line of Lena Lamoray
D. Logue Cool.
L. Lamoray Itís nice to speak with you again.
D. Logue How are you?
L. Lamoray Good. How are you?
D. Logue Iím good.
L. Lamoray Great. Now what was it like working with Peter
D. Logue Peter Weller is fantastic. Peter I had met years
ago. When I met him on the set here I said, ďLook, I met you
years ago. Youíre not going to remember. Of course, I do.Ē
We have a really good mutual friend named Corey Brennan who
was truly this Renaissance genius guy who was a great punk
rock guitar player. He was in the Lemonheads and Bullet
LaVolta, but he also won this huge American Academy in Rome
prize for this piece of scholarship he did on ─ heís a
classic scholar. Then he went to Bryn Mawr and Princeton.
When Corey was in Rome 20 some years ago he was like, ďMan,
you wonít believe it. Iím hanging out with Buckaroo Bonzai,
with Peter Weller. Heís awesome.Ē Weíve always had this kind
of mutual friend. Thatís kind of all we talked about was
Corey Brennan when we were hanging out on the set.
I actually donít care because itís fine either way, but I
really like it when a really good actor is directing you. I
just, I kind of just love the notes that Peter Weller gave
me. The same goes for Paris Barclay and for Kurt. I think
Kurt is a really good actor also, by the way. It was a
particular personal circle time thrill to work with Peter
L. Lamoray Can you talk about some of the projects that you
have coming up, because Iím really looking forward to
D. Logue Yes, thatís basically ─ Iíve done some smaller
films that are kind of intriguing. I did a film with Katie
Cassidy and Tracy Spiridakos who is the lead in Revolution,
that new show. We did this Indie movie up in Canada last
year that I thought was good.
Vikings is this Michael Hirst drama, the guy that wrote
Elizabeth, and created The Tudors, and worked on The
Borgias, and stuff. I clocked this for a long time, and I
tried to get in on it forever, but I think that they
initially were just hesitant about having an American join a
pretty international cast. It ended up working out, and so I
came on Vikings not unlike I came on Sons, at the end of a
season maybe setting up some potentially further important
story lines. I just got back, but I can say it was a really
fantastic experience. I think itís going to be great.
L. Lamoray All of the Terriers fans wanted me to ask you if
you filmed any scenes with Rockmond [Dunbar]?
D. Logue No, I didnít. I would say not yet. I didnít, but
Rock and I certainly spent a lot of time hanging out, which
L. Lamoray Thatís wonderful. Thank you so much.
D. Logue Yes, thank you. Itís good to talk to you again.
L. Lamoray You too. Thanks.
D. Logue Bye.
Moderator Our next question is coming from the line of Earl
Dittman with Wireless Digital. Please go ahead.
E. Dittman Hey, Donal. How are you this morning?
D. Logue Iím good, thanks, Earl. How are you?
E. Dittman Doing great. Iíve covered this for years, and the
fan following for this show is just the most amazing for any
show Iíve ever covered or watched and loved myself
personally. The fans are just rabid, theyíre crazy. They are
wonderfully crazy and passionate about the show.
I went on this morning to look at sonsofanarchy.net, and
they pick up on the weirdest things. The one thing that I
did want to ask you about because it was kind of curious to
me, somebody said something here that on ĎLee Toricísí bed
there was a name of a book called Watchfiends and Rack
Screams. They said they Googled it, and couldnít find much
about it but Ö . Do you know what it is? What the book was?
Did you read it? Do you know what it is?
D. Logue Artaud was this French writer. A-r-t-a-u-d, and I
think that he was also famously ─ he spent a lot of time in
mental institutions. He walked that thin line between. He
was a genius, and he was mentally ill probably.
What was fascinating about him ─ Iím no scholar of Artaud,
and I have read some in the past, but I will tell you that
how it plays with Sons of Anarchy in a weird way too, is
that he didnít believe that there was much of a difference
between art and life. He thought that artís duty was to be
as real as life, and to be just basically shocking and
brutal. To hit you in your face so hard that it broke the
kind of comfortable veneer with which you perceive reality.
In a weird way, the way that Sons of Anarchy does that and
comes at you with this brutality.
I had mentioned in another question before, but what was
interesting about his take on things, and the way I saw it
in terms of ĎLee Toricí was Artaud basically would say,
ďOkay, you kind of like violence? You like war? Iím going to
stick ─ Let me take you down to the morgue and just shove
your face into a dead body just so you can see how much ─
now this is, do you like what this is?Ē He feels like
society is always like I think we should go and do this.
E. Dittman Right.
D. Logue No oneís looking at the bodies on the floor. No
oneís standing there. No oneís getting their face shoved in
it. He said the only way that people can come around and see
things, have a correct perception for how they should really
be, is if that happens to them through art, or through life,
I think that in a weird way what I have adopted is on one
level itís kind of like what Sons is about. On the other
level, I think that what he feels like, ĎLee Toricí chose
some 30 years ago when he went into the military that he was
going to take on the bad guy. Heís kind of an intellectual
guy, so he can always qualify it in different ways. He
fought crime. He was involved in some kind of high-level,
big intense, dark stuff when he was a U.S. Marshal.
I think his thing is, I dip into all these worlds where
people can say, well, in that world, in the cartel world, in
the motorcycle club world stuff happens. People get killed.
You know the rules. Itís kind of amoral in this kind of way.
I think his thing is Iíll shock you with ─ to make you see
whatís right and wrong, Iím going to come at you ten times
heavier. If that makes any sense.
E. Dittman Oh, definitely.
D. Logue I think thatís what was kind of genius about Kurtís
choice of who heíd be reading to get strength and buffet his
crusade. Heís on a crusade.
E. Dittman Yes. Just to point out how observant the fans
really are. I didnít think, when I saw the scene I just
thought heís got the pills, the guns, and a book, and I kind
of glossed over it. They are so analytical of every little
scene. This morning after reading last nightís episode, itís
like theyíve got pages and pages about every little thing.
The injection to ĎWendy,í itís just amazing how these people
analyze this show. In a great way, I think itís incredible
because I get involved with it sometimes myself. I am such a
fan of the show.
D. Logue I do, too. Whatís interesting, too, is with social
networking and the way media is working now, too, that the
enjoyment of the show is the show, but then for a lot of
people there is another week of forums to investigate, and
other people to run ideas around.
E. Dittman Right.
D. Logue It gives you kind of a more complete experience,
E. Dittman Yes.
D. Logue I like it. I like that; itís just like do you have
to study music theory to appreciate Beethoven? No. At the
same time, when you know a lot of the weird history about
it, you get a deeper appreciation. The fact that people care
enough to be like, I wonder what heís reading? I wonder what
that authorís about. I just think itís great that people get
into it like that.
E. Dittman Did you know, before I let you go, that consensus
is you are playing a scary character, but everyone likes the
fact that you are on the show from what I have been reading
through today. Youíre doing a great job, and Iím glad that
youíre on it. Iím glad that you finally made it on there
because we certainly love the character, and I know you
canít say because Iím kind of under a gag rule sometimes
too. I canít really talk about much, especially when I
become a fan, but hopefully weíll be talking to you next
D. Logue Okay.
E. Dittman Thanks so much, Donal. Appreciate it.
D. Logue Alright, thank you. Okay.
Moderator Our next question is from the line of Adam Lawton
with mediamikes.com. Please go ahead.
A. Lawton Hey Donal. How are we doing, man?
D. Logue Iím good. How are you?
A. Lawton Very good. Thanks for talking with us. Iíve been a
big fan going back to ĎJimmy the Cab Driverí days.
D. Logue Oh, excellent.
A. Lawton When you were meeting with Kurt about doing the
show and this character, did you guys come up with the
character together? Did he have it, and he was like here do
your own thing, or was it kind of scripted as to what he
exactly wanted from you?
D. Logue He just knows me pretty well. It was all Kurt. Itís
basically like he knew me well enough to go, ďDonít worry.
When you come back I think I have the perfect suit that will
fit you well.Ē It feels like a custom-made role.
Itís interesting because I had been talking to him for a
couple of years about joining the show in different
capacities. Iíd have to say that this is ─ it just kind of
worked out for the best that this is the way it went down
because I love this character. I love this kind of
foreboding; heís a pretty fascinating guy. Even when I read
it, I was kind of like, ďWow, thatís interesting. How does
he have free reign in prison? How does it turn out that heís
not even actively involved in law enforcement anymore?Ē
A. Lawton Right. Yes. Very cool. Now was this the initial
role that Kurt had come to you with the first couple of
times he had asked you to do the show?
D. Logue No. No, we talked about different parts on the
A. Lawton Okay.
D. Logue One that never even actually came to ─ this would
always be before they went into ─ like this was before the
season would start. Then it would be interesting because
they might think that one was something that they might have
done already, another one was a part that they ended up not
doing because the whole season structure had changed.
A. Lawton You also have Silent Night coming out here at the
end of this week. Can you tell us a little bit about your
role in that?
D. Logue I had a really fun experience on Silent Night, but
I wasnít there that long. I hadnít seen the original. This
young director named Stephen Miller from Florida, who did
some kind of really cool, wild, super low-budget, Indie
stuff, has really made this mark for himself in that genre
He asked me to do this thing, and I had a choice of a couple
of parts. There was this one ─ I donít know ─ itís another
spoiler kind of weird thing. Heís a weird kind of Santa that
you ─ heís a drifter. What I liked about this drifter was
that he went off on these rants that were really kind of
interesting, and funny, and kind of heart-breaking. I
thought ─ I like that kind of stuff. I like doing speeches
in a weird way. Iíve been lucky because Iíve had a lot of
characters over the years who literally are the guys that ─
even on this Viking show that I just did ─ theyíll do this
three or four page speech, and everyone is like, ďWe havenít
had that much dialogue in the show so far.Ē
Iím fine with whatever, but sometimes itís just fun to do
those little ─ itís kind of like acting stunt driving. I
think that Silent Night is going to be kind of a fun ─ it
felt like one of those Ď70s ─ it felt like the kind of
golden era of that genre.
I have had long talks with a lot of my friends about this,
but I always feel about ─ first of all, itís always feels
best to do work on something real thatís good. It feels very
comfortable doing stuff on Sons of Anarchy. The writing is
great and the level of acting chops around you is always
very high. Itís very easy to go in there and take your
place. Youíre in a good environment that is being supported
from all sides.
It is fun as an actor because after Terriers I was really
bummed out. I actually went to truck driving school. Iím not
trying to be overly crazy dramatic about it, but I just was
kind of like I feel grounded out by the ─ Iíve been doing
this for a couple of decades, and I kind of lost the joy. I
ended up doing this really goofy, but really fun experience
in this other horror-type film.
I went and did a comedy improv show in San Francisco. I was
at a theater and I saw this ─ it was one of those old
theaters that hadnít played since the Ď30s and Ď40s ─ and I
looked around at these pictures of Burgess Meredith and
Ernest Borgnine and stuff, and all the different shows they
did. I realized guys like Burgess Meredith when you read
their obituary; it was like he appeared in over 300 movies
and 7,000 episodes of television and 1,400 productions on
Broadway. It was so insane. Thatís what you do. You just go
from part to part to part to part and you embrace what is
different about all the different parts. I had a
particularly good time getting to hang out with Malcolm
McDowell and Jaime King.
A. Lawton Very nice.
D. Logue They are fantastic people, but God he is a great
guy. Itís weird when youíre around one of those guys that ─
when I was a younger kid coming up and Clockwork Orange of
course ─ he was that connective tissue. I am such a huge fan
of all of the kind of ─ Richard Harris, Peter OíToole; that
school of great English actors. Malcolm is this piece of
connective tissue historically that was connected. He never
tired, and he was so generous, telling me anything that I
needed to know about anything. Malcolm is a great guy.
A. Lawton Very cool. Looking forward to seeing the film when
it comes out here this weekend, and the rest of what you
have planned for Sons of Anarchy. Appreciate it.
D. Logue Alright, thank you.
A. Lawton Alright, yes, goodbye.
Moderator Our next question comes from the line of Joel
Murphy with Hobo Trashcan. Please go ahead.
J. Murphy First of all, since it has been mentioned a lot; I
just want to say that I was a huge fan of Terriers, and of
your work on it.
D. Logue Thank you.
J. Murphy My actual question for you though is I just kind
of curious. Obviously you donít want to give away spoilers
and you donít want to talk about details, but you and Kurt
Sutter, in general, I wanted to know what kind of
discussions did you have about the character leading up to
playing it, just philosophically and just in sort of
discussing where the guy was coming from and how to play
D. Logue What was interesting was we had conversations about
it, and I think philosophically about who he is was
determined by Kurt, and actually kind of touched upon a long
time ago when we first discussed it. What took me by
surprise, because I wasnít around for the kinds of bits and
pieces leading up to it, was how heís introduced through the
death of the sister.
What I love about the show, in a weird way, too, is that a
lot of people have come in to their world from my world even
though Iím not maybe active law enforcement anymore. When
they have the old ATF investigation and stuff is that people
come in because their job is to go after different organized
criminal groups. Itís just their job. Weíre doing it in this
town in Northern California. We might be doing it South
Carolina next. Itís kind of like a competitive sport.
I even remember years ago talking to Kurt about that, and
thereís almost kind of a respect, too, in this regard. Your
job is to be the cop, and my job is to be the robber. In
this case, this guy is coming into their world like The
Outlaw Josey Wales. He is motivated by perhaps the basic and
most primal of human ─ look, I got a big kick, a big
jumpstart on everything in my world with them because of
just straight-up vengeance. Charles Bronson-style you
murdered my sister.
J. Murphy Following up on that a little bit, do you think
that scene with ĎTara,í do you think heís already made up
his mind about her or when heís interviewing her do you
think he really is trying to figure out how guilty she is?
D. Logue I think that heís the kind of guy, when I ask you a
question Iím not asking you to discover something; I just
want to know if youíre lying to me or not. Iím asking you a
question, I know the answer, so just think carefully on what
youíre going to tell me because a lot is going to be
determined by how you answer this. Donít think I need to
know this information. I like the way he doled it out, and I
like the way that she picked, and it was such subtle stuff.
Peter Weller is really good. Itís like at first itís very
human, because itís true. Iím this guy and thatís my sister
and you were there, and I have questions that need to be
answered. She goes into ─ and it was shocking for her as
well. She says, ďPlease sit down.Ē The guy just stands up
and moves closer. The way I feel about it is, especially
with ĎTara,í and this is just me as a fan of the show having
watched it and the progression, sheís come into this world
from another world, and sheís discovered that she has kind
of an acumen. She has kind of the backbone and strength to
do things that she probably didnít think she was capable of
From my perspective, when I watch her squirm a little bit
because I drop little bits of information like; he was your
patient, this was the third time. Then as soon as she knows
that I have that specific knowledge, she is like, ďWho are
you?Ē I know more then. It was time to kind of drill, itís
time to go in there and go, ďLook, I know whatís up. I know
she brought the thing, and I know that she came back the
If you want to play this game, this guy ĎLee Toric,í this is
a game Iíve been playing for 30 years with Mexican drug
cartels, with mobs. Iíve been down this road. You think
youíre good at this? This is what I do. Thatís what I like
about this character, and in a weird way the fansí reactions
because I think that Kurt really came up with someone who,
in a weird way, he comes from ─ it feels like a weightier
threat in a weird way.
Heís coming from such a different world and heís so
powerfully motivated with revenge. Heís so mysterious. Even
the popes of the world, who were very scary and powerful
guys, you know that they are based out of Ö . You know where
they are, you kind of know how to ─ I donít know, this guy
is kind of coming in from a satellite in outer space, and is
very rogue, and like a lone assassin. I think that I like
the foreboding that surrounds ĎLee Toric.í
J. Murphy Thank you very much.
D. Logue He knew what was up. He just asked her to confirm
J. Murphy I appreciate it. Thanks.
D. Logue No problem.
Moderator Our next question is from the line of Jamie Ruby
J. Ruby Hi again. Other people have been mentioning some of
your other roles. I was wondering, going off topic for a
second, if you could just talk about when you worked on The
X Files. Thatís when I first saw you.
D. Logue Oh, yes. Okay, is that 1992 or so?
J. Ruby Something like that.
D. Logue Is that twenty-two years ago, twenty-one or more? I
worked on The X Files before it came out, before it aired on
television. It was just ─ how wild was it to be around when
I look back. Gillian [Anderson] and David [Duchovny] are
both really good people, and I think Chris Carter is a
really nice guy. It was so fun to be on something where
people didnít really know, they were just making this show,
they didnít know what a phenomenon it would become.
The X Files, I think a few years later I was in a pretty
remote place in the South Pacific like an island near Fiji,
and people were like X Files Ö . I was like, oh my God, the
reach of this show is so bizarre, and people are so into it.
It was fun to have kind of been around that before it became
what it became.
J. Ruby Okay, great. Do you have any dream role that you
havenít played yet? Either a kind of role, or a character,
or something like that?
D. Logue Iíd have to say that this last run of the last few
months, I jumped on Sons of Anarchy, and I kind of saw it to
the conclusion of the season. There are some heavy duty
question marks about whatís up for next season.
I jumped in on this show about the Vikings that Michael
Hirst wrote, who Iíd always been a huge fan of. He wrote
Elizabeth, and wrote The Tudors, and The Borgias, and stuff
like that. I went to Ireland to film in Ireland, and I
played this king. I play this guy named King Horik, who is
an actual historical king of the Vikings. When the Vikings
first started doing their raids outside of what is
Scandinavia, when they started going to England and
terrorizing the hell out of everybody.
In between these two parts, and itís not big stuff, and
youíre not in every scene, but there was something really ─
doing ĎLee Toricí intoÖwas probably my favorite. The last
few months have been my favorite kind of months as an actor.
I would say that Terriers ─ I feel like if someone had to
say what do you do? How would you describe your work or your
style? I would say watch the whole season of Terriers, and
if you think itís good, thatís great. If you donít like it,
I respect that. Thatís kind of what I do.
Iíve been having fun, and then Iím doing this kind of weird
─ Iím specking out. I have this little thing going with bad
robots because Iím friends with J.J. Abrams. Iím doing this
thing that could be kind of interesting. Itís really
Iím just kind of having fun as an actor right now. What I do
miss, and this sounds so bogus, but I would love to, at some
point maybe when my kids are in college, just go do a whole
season at the Oregon Shakespeare Festival or something, and
do a year of plays. Just do stage work. I think that most
actors miss that, the days of live theater. My buddy is the
artistic director up there, a guy named Bill Rauch. That
would be fun.
J. Ruby Okay, great. Well, thank you so much.
D. Logue Thank you.
Moderator Our next question is from the line of Lance Carter
of the Daily Actor. Please go ahead.
L. Carter Hey, man.
D. Logue Howís it going?
L. Carter Alright. I did an episode of Terriers with you.
You were just the coolest, nicest guy on set.
D. Logue Which episode was it, Lance?
L. Carter It was Episode 11. It was the flashback episode.
You and Rockmond, you arrested me and tossed me in jail.
D. Logue Right off the top?
L. Carter Yes, good memory. Yes, yes, yes.
D. Logue When my friend Steve, who playedÖwas like,
ďAlright, perv.Ē Or whatever he said.
L. Carter Yes, yes, yes.
D. Logue Cool, man. Great.
L. Carter That was me. When I was there, I do this semi, not
occasionally, but when I get a good shot when Iím on set, I
get nervous. Especially the first day. Are you ever, when
you come in and do a guest spot your first day there, are
you ever really nervous?
D. Logue It was so funny because someone asked me about
that. I just feel like ─ I remember I was playing in this,
there wasÖ, but I played on this soccer team called
Hollywood United. Thereís a lot of old ex-international
pro-players and stuff, and we played this benefit match
beforeÖplayed at the Rose Bowl. The crowd had streamed in
for the big match. Itís so nerve-racking to go out into a
stadium, and you just feel a billion eyes upon you when you
mess up your touches just because itís an overwhelming
environment. I was talking to one of those guys about it and
they were like, ďOh, yes, but itís thrilling.Ē Theyíre used
A college football star, by his senior year, heís used to
running out there with 110,000 people going nuts, and they
feel comfortable in that environment. That feels homely to
them. To me, a set feels like that. The one thing that I do
know is that, as long as Iím prepared, I know this
environment. I know this world. I think nerves show that you
care a little bit. The game is never to let them overwhelm
you to where you canít operate because the whole thing is to
kind of breathe and to listen.
I think that especially, and you were on the Terrier set and
you would feel this way about Sons of Anarchy, itís not a
kind of a place where people are ─ itís not the kind of
environment thatís making people feel bad if they mess up.
Itís kind of a welcoming, warm environment, which is what
you try to create. It doesnít help anybody, and it works
that way a lot.
They say you can judge a country by the way it treats its
prisoners or whatever. You can always kind of judge a show
by the way it treats people coming on doing these guest
shots, and sometimes they are very tricky things in the
middle of a thing where people have been running really
hard, and theyíre in their groove. I have seen a couple of
environments where itís not very friendly to guys coming in.
Just think of how this person must feel coming into this
I just love it when people are ─ I loved it when I was
coming up when people were welcoming to me so I didnít feel
that pressure of not being the kind of new guy screwing up.
I love the opportunity to play it that way now that I have
more experience. I get nervous, but itís been my sport for a
long time. I feel comfortable in that environment.
L. Carter Yes. One more question. Whatís your advice to
D. Logue Do plays and do it. It really does boggle the mind
when people ─ when they think of acting as something other
than a craft that you need to continue to do always. Itís a
kind of growing, organic skill. I always thought, and I had
an argument with a friend of mine who is kind of into it,
but doesnít really ─ a lot of people are like how do I get
on a T.V. show, and make money or whatever.
I was like, dude, you are a guy who has the coolest leather
jacket and jeans, and a really old Gibson Les Paul, and a
cool haircut. And youíre like, okay, I want to be the lead
guitar player in a famous rock band touring the country
making lots of money. Okay, can you play guitar? No, but
look at me. Do you know scales? Do you know chords? No,
check me out. A lot of people feel that way about acting.
Youíve got to pretend like youíre a guitar player, man, and
youíve got to know scales and ─ you canít just look cool and
do it. Itís about ─ and also, you deny yourself the joy of ─
When I started acting when I was in college, there was no
theater department at Harvard. I went as this kind of
do-gooder student government type who wanted to go into
international relations and a quasi-academic kid. I got into
acting, and there were so many people there doing plays in
their dorm rooms and basements. It was a school full of
people, at least they were type-A, and were getting stuff
done and trying stuff. They were really self-motivated.
When I get into that scene, I really do feel like if you
want to do it you can do it anytime, anywhere. Especially
now. Today, actually, Iím going down to Santa Monica to just
be a homeless guy, and run around, and do some really weird
experimental film thing with some friends of mine. It feels
like the joy of college again in a weird way.
If youíre an actor, you need to get involved. Even if you
get five cool friends together. People will go, ďWell, I
canít get into those fancy schools.Ē Or, ďI canít join, itís
expensive.Ē It doesnít take anything to find five or six
cool people, and go choose a play, and put it up in
someoneís back yard if you have too. Learn how to act, and
show a passion for it. You canít tell people how you are
going to get an agent and all this kind of stuff. Your
chances increase if youíre working and people see you doing
something interesting. Thatís the million dollar question
for all of us starting out, and theyíre two different
People get bad professional advice. I donít think that they
should go to all these ─ there are all these schools in
different little cities that say this guy is good because he
has deep Hollywood connections. None of that stuff is really
necessarily true, and it doesnít really help. The thing that
will help you the most is to have a passion for it, and to
actually engage in it. Whether youíre a kid coming up in
Portland, Oregon and youíre doing plays, or youíre thinking
about moving to New York, or you want to go study. I know
Michael Raymond-James was a member of the Actorsí Studio. I
think those kinds of things ─ because those guys ─ a lot of
people are big stars or whatever and they go back on Tuesday
and Wednesday nights and they work out scenes with other
people just to keep the ─ like athletes ─ just to keep the
I know that thatís not the best, people donít really want to
hear the advice. I started truck driving a couple of years
ago, and I went to truck driving college. I got my license,
and we started this little trucking company. Trucking is one
of those things that I guess Iím licensed to do, I am
licensed to do, and I have done. Compared to ─ Iíll tell you
in a truck stop, and my partner, this guy named Bud
Williams, heís been driving big rigs since he was eight, and
the difference in skill between me and him is like the
difference between five and ninety-nine on a scale from one
That is just because this guy has been doing it forever and
loves it. You need to treat acting, you canít think of
acting as being something about looking cool and feeling
inspired. Itís about doing it, if that makes any sense.
L. Carter Yes, yes.
D. Logue I need to keep driving. I will never get as good as
Bud, but Iíll be as good as I could or should be. The
coolest thing about acting is that anyone can do it,
anywhere, anytime, at any age, and you donít have to look a
certain way. Only you can have the right to tell your story
the way youíre supposed to, and thatís what I think is
amazing about acting as an art form. Everybody can fit into
L. Carter I thought that was awesome, man.
D. Logue Cool, thank you so much. Does everyone listen to
all this stuff? Am I boring the hell out of everyone?
K. Silvernail Iím sure youíre not boring anybody, but I see
that was the last question in the queue, so we will let
everybody get off the phone at this point in time. Thank you
again so much to everybody for participating today. Donít
forget to tune in to the Season 5 finale next Tuesday at 10
again, and you can now disconnect.
D. Logue Thank you. Good bye.
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