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By Suzanne

Jim Jefferies of Legit on FX

Interview with Jim Jefferies of "Legit" on FX 2/24/14

It was really great to speak to Jim. I enjoy his show and he's super funny.

Final Transcript
February 24, 2014/10:00 a.m. PST


Kristy Silvernail, FX Networks / Senior Manager, Media Relations
Jim Jefferies, FX Networks / Legit, Co-Creator / Executive Producer / Writer / ďJimĒ


Moderator Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Legit conference call. Now at this time all, participants are in a listen-only mode. Later we will conduct a question and answer session. (Operator instructions given.) Your hosting speaker, Kristy Silvernail, please go ahead.

Kristy Hello, and welcome to the Legit conference call with series co-creator, executive producer, writer and star, Jim Jefferies. Iíd like to thank everyone for joining us today and remind you that this call is for print purposes only. No audio may be used. Legit premieres its second season on Wednesday, February 26th at 10 p.m. Eastern and Pacific only on FXX. As always, we respectfully request that all questions focus on the series and Jimís career and that you do not post spoilers pre-air to help protect the viewing experience for our audience.

With that said, letís go ahead and take our first question.

Moderator (Instructions given.) First question is from the line of Nick Nunziata of Please go ahead.

Nick Jim, great to talk to you. I want to find out what first season mistakes you learned and how you approach season two going into it with the knowledge of how you finished the season.

Jim In the first season, honestly I hadnít written a sitcom before and it was a little bit more fly by the seat of your pants in the sense that the first season is based, Öeight of the episodes were based directly from my standup. This season thereís actually one episode based on a standup routine. The rest of it is a full linear story this year that weíve organically come up with. Iíve just now watched all Season 2. Season 1 had, to be honest with you, maybe three or four episodes that I wasnít super proud of at the end of it, but you never make an episode going ďIím going to make a Ö one.Ē You know what I mean? You want them all to be good, but there were little tricks and little things that I maybe was slightly naÔve about in the first season, so there are three or four of them I wasnít super happy with. Now this year Iíve watched.... I think itís substantially better than Season 1 and this season thereís one episode Iím not completely happy with; and I wonít tell you which one, because maybe youíll like it.

Also when youíre writing the first season, you havenít even cast the actors yet. You donít know what their strengths and what their weaknesses are. You donít know where theyíll take the character themselves. But now like for instance the character ďSteveĒ is very well defined now, what Dan Bakkedahl does really good onÖ, so with this season heís very good at playing big, so this season he becomes a full blown alcoholic, which progressively gets worse throughout the whole season. And not like a comedy alcoholic like from the movie Arthur, but like a real tragic figure, a guy whoís actually falling down the rabbit hole and heís losing everything in his life. I think thatís a very interesting thing to put into a comedy, because often what you deal with addiction in comedy it is sort of a funny sort of like ďhereís junky ďPhilĒ who lives down the hallway;Ē but this one is the raw side of that. Itís still funny.

Nick My little follow-up isó

Jim I donít know if that answered your question. Iím not sure.

Nick It certainly does, and as a fan of your standup and hearing that itís not as much based on your standup, is the show going to allow you come do another U.S. visit? Thereís a particular C word I really like the way it comes out of your mouth and you canít do it on FXX.

Jim Right. Are you saying does the show allowed me to say that word, oró

Nick No, no, with the schedule of the show, are we going to be able to see you in the States, just you doing your standup?

Jim I am on tour at this very moment. I just got back from doingóI was just at a gig on Saturday in Pittsburgh and Philadelphia on Friday. I did Atlanta last week. If you go on my website, Iíve got dates for the next three months and I had planned on recording a brand new special in Boston in two monthsí time. I have a deal with a network, with a channel to release that, but I canít tell you which channel yet.

Nick Thank you. Thank you very much.

Jim Thereís a deal set.

Nick Awesome.

Moderator Thank you. Our next question is from the line of from the TV Mega Site, Suzanne, please pronounced your last name.

Suzanne Suzanne Lanoue.

Jim That wasnít so hard to pronounce; I donít know why he couldnít read Lanoue.

Suzanne Well, you know, itís not spelled like it sounds.

Jim Jeffery is my middle name. I had to change my name fromómy real name was Nugent, and thatís why the character in the show, the family in the show is called the Nugents because when I was living in Australia and started doing standup they used to introduce me as Ö or Ö Ted Nugent is not very popular in Australia; letís just put it that way.

Suzanne Not anywhere, actually. I was going to ask you, letís see, I saw the four episodes that they sent out and they were really funny.

Jim Thank you.

Suzanne Itís one of those shows where youíre sort of going along and you go, okay, okay, thatís funny, ha, ha, ha; and then something happens and you just go oh my gosh, thatís so funny. I love when it does that.

Jim We try to have a few little laughs and then try of have one sort ofóone or two real big moments. I think thatís how life is. Youíre with your friends, you laugh a little bit, you laugh a little bit, and then something big happens. I think a lot of network sitcoms itís just laughs per minute. I donít think they even care how big the laughs are. As long as they can pack so many into that timeline. We have episodes where thereís maybe five, six minutes where nothing funny happens, but you got to keep the story compelling is what I think. Anyway, that wasnít your question, but thatís the question Iíll ask for you.

Suzanne Thatís okay. I was going to ask you, I think weíve got four episodes. How many episodes are there total in the season?

Jim There are 13...? Yes, there are 13.

Suzanne Thirteen. Now that you had the first season under your belt, are you finding are people recognizing you more? Are you getting more fan feedback about the show?

Jim Yes, I wouldnít say Iím getting recognized more or that Iím more famous. I was already recognized a fair amount because of my standup, but Iím getting different demographics of people recognizing me. Iím getting more all ages. It used to be that people that came to my standup were just sort of men in their mid-20s used to come and watch me perform standup; but now Iím getting noticed by the opposite sex and Ö couples will come up to me in a restaurant and say we just love your show. Itís never couples that enjoyed me. It was always just the guy with his friends who enjoyed me. I kind of think that the showóI think people thought when I was going to make a sitcom that it would just dirty or it would just be whatever, you know and it is. It is dirty at times, itís very similar what I do in standup, but itís also I think it sounds sweet, almost sickly sweet at times.

Suzanne Yes, itís well balanced between the really just sort ofóI donít want to say awful, but the really profane with the really sweet and I think that saves it in a way because you say Iím watching this really awful show, but itís about a guy in a wheelchair.

Jeff Yes, I get slightly offended when people go obviously Jim Jefferies is playing an exaggerated version of himself where this guy is a ruthless Ö or something like that. And then Iím like Iím playing, Iím playingóitís not that exaggerated. Itís pretty close to me and I donít think Iím an Ö. I think even when I watch it, I think the character on the show is a pretty decent guy all in all. I think for the most part heís not evil or anything like that. Heís an idiot, but I think the nice things he does outweighs the bad. I donít think anyone in society is completely nice or completely bad. I think that all of us are two sides of the coin.

I just hope that itís a fair representation of guys like me. I hope I empower other sleaze bags and Ö that they can be good people as well.

Suzanne I have another question, but Iíll let someone else ask a question first. Thank you very much.

Jeff Thank you.

Moderator (Operator instructions given.) We do have a question from Ernie Estrella, Please go ahead.

Ernie Hello, Jim. Nice to speak with you. The second season is off to a great start.

Jim Thank you.

Ernie I wanted to know for Season 2 obviously you want to be able to expand the scope of the series. There are some really nice moments with ďWalterĒ and ďRamonaĒ already. Will we see more and more development with these two characters, especially ďRamonaĒ?

Jim What happens with ďRamonaĒ did you say?

Ernie Are we going to continue to see an expanded role for ďRamonaĒ Ö?

Jim We expanded a role for ďRamona,Ē but to be honest with you, Iíve got a bigger idea for her in Season 3, which I wanted to spin into this season, but I donít know if weíll go to Season 3, but Iíve got a bigger storyline than I couldnít quite fit in for her at the moment. We went a lot with ďWalterĒ moves into the house this season and so thereís a lot more for John Ratzenberger to do; but then also in this season my parents come over to visit, so we introduce two new characters there. Itís all about figuring out time, but yet you will see ďRamonaĒ develop a lot this season, but not as much as you will the next season. As I said, Iíve got a big idea for her coming up.

Ernie Okay. Was the expanded idea with her kind of was borne out being able to see what she brought to the table in Season 1, or was itó

Jim Sonya Eddy is a super great actress. Sheís like the nicest woman in the world. Yes, of course, I want to bring her character more out of just being a nurse. It seems that everybody, whoever meets that lady casts her as a nurse, sheís in General Hospital and I just watched Ö and she was a nurse in a nursing home there, so itís not going to beóthe storyline she has now weíre going to delve a little bit more into her personal life, her romantic life, and not so much that sheís just a carer for ďBilly.Ē Sheís going to become more of a rounded person.

I think in the first season there was a definite feel of maybe she was just a foil to our plans that would tell us that weíre bad people or whatever; but now sheís sort of more involved directly in our plans as one of the bad people herself.

Ernie Yes, definitely. Thatís whatís making it so fun, so thank you.

Jim Yes, we have an episode where she gets intoóI wonít say too much, but she gets into a bar fight and I have to bail her out, so that wouldnít have happened first season.

Ernie Great, awesome, thanks.

Moderator Next question is from the line of Steve Ramos, Upcoming-Movies. Please go ahead.

Jim Iím just going to put something down, just give me ten seconds. Okay. Hold on. Good day, mate. Ö.

Steve Fantastic. Jim, thanks for your time this morning. Congratulations on Season 2.

Jim Thank you.

Steve Youíre welcome. A quick question, the idea of comics shattering sacred cows goes back decades, beyond George Carlin to the origins of comedy itself, whether weíre talking standup or your films, HBO specials, or the series itself. You seem to really wear that mantle well, so Iím asking you this morning, do you really embrace that? Do you really see what your comic writing is and your storytelling, is it about shattering sacred cows and is there one sacred cow joke that maybe you would never tell on the show or in a concert hall?

Jim No, Iíve never made conscious effort toóI think Iím known for my standup providing a lot of maybe atheist related anti-religion stuff. Iíve only ever done it because I thought it was funny and also because Iím heavily influenced by George Carlin. Is there a topic I wouldnít talk about? No, as long as itís funny, I sometimes to the level of things that youíre making the level of funny has to come up as well. I know comics that arenít as Ö, but when you watch them, youíre more offended because they think itís just all dirty words or just saying the words right or talking about pedophilia or something. Those subjects you canít talk about. You got to try or at least attempt to be insightful or to have some type of reference that makes sense.

As for sacred cows in the TV show, the only reason we had the character of ďBillyĒ as a muscular dystrophy character is because I grew up with a guy with muscular dystrophy, and I took a guy with muscular dystrophy to a brothel before he was going to die. He was one of my best friends and heís still alive, mind you, so that all really happened. Then when you have a character like ďBillyĒ in the show, he has to have come from a home, and so you have to populate that world and so then you have to bring other disabled actors, and so I think people could watch the show and say that we have a hard on for having disabled characters in that show, but thatís just not the case. Itís just organically where the story from my actual life started and where it built.

I like to think that especially with the character of ďRodneyĒ that weíre not doing anythingówe have a mentally challenged actor, who performs regularly on our show. But I donít think we ever do anything gratuitous orówe try to treat him like any other character on the show as one of the guys; but we also donít make him like a sickly sorry character where you have to be sorry for him like a Hallmark movie. I donít know if that answers your question, but those are things Iím happy to say.

Steve Thank you.

Jim All right, thank you.

Moderator Next question is from the line of Robert Thoms, Please go ahead.

Robert You said that the second season isnít going to be so heavily based off of your standup, but has working with your standup in the form of putting it into the sitcom made you more focused on the standup somehow, or like have they affected each other?

Jim It made me focus on the standup in the extent that if I put all my stories into the sitcom, then I canít perform it on stage, so it makes me write standup to do; but also I think writing a TV show, having that discipline where I have to go into an office every day for a few months until it was done maybe helped with the discipline of writing a standup as well. I used to never write my standup down. I still donít write my standup on paper or anything; but I used to just organically do it on stage, have an idea, chatted it up a little bit. Now Iím keeping notes. Iím trying to keep up with the Ö of this world and try to bring out a special every year.

But this new season, as I said, is not really based on the standup. I had a few fans that enjoyed the show, but they were a bit pissy that it wasnít all new material for the sitcom, so now hopefully weíll be pleasing them as well.

Robert I liked it. That was actually what drew me to it initially.

Jim If youíve watch my standup, thereís a story of a Ö where I go off to entertain the troops and that story will be played out this season in Episode 7, I believe.

Robert Nice. Iíll look forward to seeing that.

Moderator Okay. Next question is from the line of Sean McCarthy, The Comic's Comic. Please go ahead.

Sean Thank you.

Jim I love the Comicís Comic.

Sean Jim, good to talk to you again. By playing a comedian on the show, you get to show how people both in the business and people just outside of show business feel about standup comedians in general. Have you noticed a difference in approaching Season 2 how outsiders feel about standup comedians?

Jim I noticed it not from the general public, but I sort of noticed it from the actors we have on. With the actors there are two types of actors. Thereís the actors who can acknowledge that they could never do standup comedy. Then thereís the pretentious ones, who believe that acting is harder than standup comedy. I definitely donít think it is. I also think making a comedy is substantially harder than making a drama. Maybe thatís arrogant of me to say that, but if I ask you right now whatís your ten favorite dramas of the last five years, youíd able to rattle them off easy. There are five of them on the air right now.

I was watching True Detectives Ö The Americans are coming out. Brilliant, right? But if I ask you to give your top ten sitcoms over the last five years, youíd be struggling to even find at least ten that you like. Thereís as many sitcoms or half hour comedies coming out as there is dramas, so this is my argument. You put more actors and more comedy actors in a drama, we do a better job than if all those dramatic actors came over and tried to do our comedy. There are actors everywhere who is going to read this and hate me for saying that.

Sean But just in terms like I noticed over the weekend FX replayed the family episode where youíre doing a career day at the high school and just talking to kids about being a comedian. Even just from then to now Iím seeing so many other show pitches and treatments that revolve around standup comedy as a plot device.

Jim Yes, I think standup comedy in its heyday, in my mind I think went through one in the Ď80s and I think itís back again as popular as itís ever been. But I find it weird that people go Louie Ö himself in a standup show, so this show is similar to Louie because Jimís playing himself. My argument is no, no, no, Louieís show was similar to Seinfeld and Seinfeldís show was doing something similar to any other comic Ö. We use to give comics these fake occupations in sitcoms. Weíll make a show. Weíll call it the Bob Newhart Show, but weíll give him a different job.

Whatís the second point? Let the guy play himself and in a job that he knows being funny and that sort of stuff. Thereís a run of these shows like Curb Your Enthusiasm, Seinfeld, Louie, Legit where it is a kind of a genre in its own right and I think itís Ö great genre. I think itís the best I do. What better way to showcase a personís talent than to showcase their actual talent?

Sean I agree.

Jim I hope thereís another ten of these shows and we all have a go at it.

Sean Thanks, Jim.

Moderator Next question is from the line of Bruce Eisen, Here is TV. Please go ahead.

Bruce Hello, Jim. Thanks for making the time for the call. Iím wondering when youíre not busy working, if thatís ever the case, what do you like to watch on TV?

Jim I was a big fan of Breaking Bad. Iím really into True Detectives and The Americans at the momentÖare the three shows that Iím sort of watching. As for half hour comedies, thereís nothing out at the moment thatís really got my Ö I watch Louie. I really like the first five seasons of The Office, but then it sort of went south for me. This one is going to sound weird, but my girlfriend is really into this show and so we watch a lot of RuPaulís Drag Race at my house. Iím quite the authority on what a good drag queen looks like and what a bad one does. Iím putting it out here right now that if anyone can write this in your article, they have guest judges, I want to be a guest judge on RuPaulís Drag Race. I wouldnít take Ö and I would it properly and I wouldnít be rude or nothing. I just want to be a judge because it would make my girlfriend very happy.

Bruce Thank you very much. I appreciate it.

Jim I also watch a lot of cooking shows because I donít want to be influenced by other comedies, so Iím a big Master Chef fan.

Bruce Thank you.

Moderator Next question is from the line of Suzanne Lanoue, the TV MegaSite. Please go ahead.

Suzanne Hello again. I was wondering in the last episode that they sent out, it seems like thereís kind of a turning point; maybe thatís why they sent us the four episodes, where he sort of had to decide what he wants to do next. I donít want to say spoilers, butó

Jim I know what episode youíre talking about. That character, played by Jill Latiano was the character ďKatie Knox,Ē I can say this much, will become my Ö Episode 4 all the way through to the end of the season. It will beóa decision is made and that storyline is something that actually happened in my own life. Itís never something that happened in my standup, but itís something that happened to me in reality. A girl that I loved in high school I reconnected with for a very bad situation. I just said that like Borat; so a very bad situation.

That storyline will be the major character action and ďSteveĒ has his own problems with heís getting his kid back until he gets a girlfriend. The character of ďJimĒ Ö ďSteve,Ē their lives go down the toilet and the character of ďBilly,Ē his life starts to improve and to get better. By the end everything comes to a big decision on the last episode. Like I donít know if the show will be picked up or cancelled, but if you start watching it, please watch it to the end, because it does have a great ending to it.

Suzanne Interesting. I was wondering when youíre basing a show on somebody sort of in real life, do you have to worry about, do you have to like get your old girlfriendís permission to use her character, or you just hope she doesnít see it or how does that work?

Jim I didnít use her name. Actually the name of that character is called ďKatie Knox,Ē which is the name of the girl that my brother lost his virginity to. I donít know how to get in contact with her or she probably wonít even know who I am, because Iíve changed my last name and my brother is a fairly forgettable guy. Hopefully we wonít get sued by her.

Suzanne Thatís very interesting. Thank you very much. I look forward to the rest of the episodes.

Jim Thank you very much.

Moderator (Instructions given.) We do have a question from the line of Ernie Estrella, Please go ahead.

Ernie Jeff, when youíre basing stuff off of your real life, is there any point when youíre in the writing process where you feel like Iím just going to exorcise this out and kind of play it out as it did in real life, or do you want to change it up or kind of put it into a fantasy point where you kind of idealize the moment?

Jim No, I normally play it out pretty much exactly as it happened. If I can add a little bit of funny to it that didnít happen, then I will. Sometimes youíre doing things directly from your own life, especially if theyíre sad things, itís very cathartic to actually make them into comedy, you know? But the only time I worry about it is if Iím hurting other people in my personal life. Normally I can change the name or I can change the location to say these things happened in America; they didnít happen in Australia. Thereís always enough change in it that people can even lie to themselves and go maybe heís a talking about a different girl or different friend or a different thing.

Except for when it came to doing a storyline involving my parents and Iím using the exact dialog from what both of them have said to me in my life and some of it is a little bit harsh. My mother I know gets very upset by the whole thing because she thinks I only remember the bad bits of my childhood. I try to explain to her the bad bits are the funny bits and no one wants to watch a show about my good childhood or good things that happened to me with me and my parents. My parents have not seen the show. Theyíll see it when it airs in Australia. Iím very nervous about them watching the episode that involved them, because Iím displaying a lot of their dirty laundry and maybe thatís not fair on them, but Iíve got to write a TV show Ö.

Ernie Good luck on that. I also wanted to ask too about the ďSteveĒ character. Like you said you really put him through the ringer this season. There are a lot of fans of ďSteve,Ē including myself. We were wondering is there going to be any kind of uplifting moment or at least a taste of a turnaround for him this season?

Jim He does have a turnaround. His life does improve right towards the very end of the season. I canít say too much, but itís not going to improve greatly and thereís going to be another dip for him right at the very end. If his life is going to pick up substantially, it will happen in Season 3, but at the moment no, things arenít going good for ďSteve,Ē which is sort of like where I like ďSteveĒ being. Dan Bakkendahl plays two characters very well. He plays the guy in Veep thatís a complete and utter Ö, and then he plays like a bit of a loser on my show when he plays ďSteve.Ē Itís sort the same way that Rowan Atkinson could always play a complete bastard on Blackout or a little weird guy of Mr. Bean. You have two Ö in the opposite direction. Dan Bakkendahl plays an excellent drunk, an excellent drunk. I think he used to be one and heís really channeling his past life.

Ernie I tend to think that heís a very important part of the show, so Iím excited to see what Ö.

Jim For me the character ďSteveĒ is even more the heart of the show than ďBillyĒ is. I think most people would say that ďBillyĒ is sort of the heart of the show, but the thing is I sort of explored this year about ďSteveĒ is, ďSteveĒ is based on a character from my life as well, the brother of the guy that had muscular dystrophy. Itís not just hard on the person with the disability. Sometimes a sibling when you have a severely disabled brother or a sister, the sibling will feel left out. They never got to go to fun parks. They never had holidays that were that exciting because they always had to have care at hand, you know what I mean? Maybe emotionally the parents didnít care that much about whether they went to university or whatever, because they always assumed that that person was all right, and they were all right in comparison.

We do explore the whole idea of what happens to the lost child in their family. What happens to the one whose dreams didnít matter because they were so focused on making this other personís life okay?

Ernie Thatís awesome. Thatís like some of the most powerful stuff on the show and sort of the most surprising, I think like you said the heart of the show, so good luck in Season 2.

Jim Thank you. Thank you very much.

Moderator Our next question is from Robert Thoms, Please go ahead.

Robert First Iím loving the heart, because itís just the contrast and the balance, but I was wondering if youíre getting John Ratzenberger back and if youíve pushed or thought if youíre going to get George Wendt like you had mentioned before, another interview.

Jim We got John Ratzenberger; heís in about eight episodes this season. In fact his character, Iím not giving too much away, separates from his wife for a while and moves in the boys, so the cast of three becomes a cast of four for a few episodes of main characters. It is a joy to be working withÖ. I know heíd probably hate for me for saying that, but the way we got John Ratzenberger into the show is every time we wrote a script for Season 1 and we write that father character and we were doing a table read around with the two other writers, just the three of us would be reading the scripts, Iíd always read the part of ďWalter.Ē Whenever I read the part of ďWalter,Ē I would do a John Ratzenberger impersonation. I always would just say, ďhey, hey, you know what Jimmie? You got enough to do that anyway naturally.Ē In the end we just went, why donít we just call him? Maybe heíll do it. He jumped at the chance. He came straight on.

The guest stars we have this year Iím super excited. We have Carrie Fisher in an episode and she was just great. Sheís not playing Carrie Fisher. Sheís playing like an executive of the network. We got Bob Saget in the show. We got Buster Drew obviously is in the first show. We got the midgets from the Howard Stern Show who is going to be on. We got Tom Arnold to come in and do his thing. Ö and George Lazenby, he plays my dad, who is James Bond for one movie if you remember.

Robert The George Wendt thing was mostly a joke; you havenít reconsidered it?

Jim Sorry, say that again. You were a little bit blurred, sorry.

Robert George Wentz, putting George and John back together, you joked about it in anotheró

Jim We considered that, but I was a little bitóI had a character and I thought maybe we could make George Wentz play the character, but then I wanted the show to have its own identity, its own feel. I donít see the point in doing homage to an old show. As much as Iíd love to see those two together and work with them, that would be awesome, but I watchedóthereís like that show Kirstie on TV Land and itís feels like every episode theyíre trying to work in Jason Alexander or George Wendt or John Travolta, so theyíre going, look anybody who ever acted with, look, theyíre paired up together. Itís nice for a minute. You goÖbut then maybe it takes you out of the reality of the show youíre watching for a little tiny bit.

Whenever you watch Itís Sunny in Philadelphia, they donít try to pair up Danny DeVito with Tony Danza, so they can have a Taxi reunion, so I donít think weíll be doing that. As much as I would enjoy doing it and making it, I just think for the quality of the show that might be a bad step.

Robert Thatís interesting. Thank you.

Jim Thank you.

Moderator Thank you. At this time we have no further questions in queue.

Kristy Awesome. Thank you all so much for joining us today and especially Jim. We really, really appreciate your time. As a reminderó

Jim Thank you for everyone for the questions, I appreciate you all coming on Ö.

Kristy As a reminder Legit premieres Wednesday, February 26th at 10 p.m. Eastern and Pacific only on FXX. If you have any lingering questions, go ahead and give me a call at 310-369-3699. You may all now disconnect. Thanks again, Jim.

Jim Thank you.

Moderator Thank you, have a good day.

Kristy Bye.

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