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Interview with Jim Jefferies of "Legit" on
It was really great to speak to Jim. I enjoy his show and
he's super funny.
FX NETWORK: Legit
February 24, 2014/10:00 a.m. PST
Kristy Silvernail, FX Networks / Senior Manager, Media
Jim Jefferies, FX Networks / Legit, Co-Creator / Executive
Producer / Writer / “Jim”
Moderator Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by.
Welcome to the Legit conference call. Now at this time all,
participants are in a listen-only mode. Later we will
conduct a question and answer session. (Operator
instructions given.) Your hosting speaker, Kristy Silvernail,
please go ahead.
Kristy Hello, and welcome to the Legit conference call with
series co-creator, executive producer, writer and star, Jim
Jefferies. I’d like to thank everyone for joining us today
and remind you that this call is for print purposes only. No
audio may be used. Legit premieres its second season on
Wednesday, February 26th at 10 p.m. Eastern and Pacific only
on FXX. As always, we respectfully request that all
questions focus on the series and Jim’s career and that you
do not post spoilers pre-air to help protect the viewing
experience for our audience.
With that said, let’s go ahead and take our first question.
Moderator (Instructions given.) First question is from the
line of Nick Nunziata of Chud.com. Please go ahead.
Nick Jim, great to talk to you. I want to find out what
first season mistakes you learned and how you approach
season two going into it with the knowledge of how you
finished the season.
Jim In the first season, honestly I hadn’t written a sitcom
before and it was a little bit more fly by the seat of your
pants in the sense that the first season is based, …eight of
the episodes were based directly from my standup. This
season there’s actually one episode based on a standup
routine. The rest of it is a full linear story this year
that we’ve organically come up with. I’ve just now watched
all Season 2. Season 1 had, to be honest with you, maybe
three or four episodes that I wasn’t super proud of at the
end of it, but you never make an episode going “I’m going to
make a … one.” You know what I mean? You want them all to be
good, but there were little tricks and little things that I
maybe was slightly naïve about in the first season, so there
are three or four of them I wasn’t super happy with. Now
this year I’ve watched.... I think it’s substantially better
than Season 1 and this season there’s one episode I’m not
completely happy with; and I won’t tell you which one,
because maybe you’ll like it.
Also when you’re writing the first season, you haven’t even
cast the actors yet. You don’t know what their strengths and
what their weaknesses are. You don’t know where they’ll take
the character themselves. But now like for instance the
character “Steve” is very well defined now, what Dan
Bakkedahl does really good on…, so with this season he’s
very good at playing big, so this season he becomes a full
blown alcoholic, which progressively gets worse throughout
the whole season. And not like a comedy alcoholic like from
the movie Arthur, but like a real tragic figure, a guy who’s
actually falling down the rabbit hole and he’s losing
everything in his life. I think that’s a very interesting
thing to put into a comedy, because often what you deal with
addiction in comedy it is sort of a funny sort of like
“here’s junky “Phil” who lives down the hallway;” but this
one is the raw side of that. It’s still funny.
Nick My little follow-up is—
Jim I don’t know if that answered your question. I’m not
Nick It certainly does, and as a fan of your standup and
hearing that it’s not as much based on your standup, is the
show going to allow you come do another U.S. visit? There’s
a particular C word I really like the way it comes out of
your mouth and you can’t do it on FXX.
Jim Right. Are you saying does the show allowed me to say
that word, or—
Nick No, no, with the schedule of the show, are we going to
be able to see you in the States, just you doing your
Jim I am on tour at this very moment. I just got back from
doing—I was just at a gig on Saturday in Pittsburgh and
Philadelphia on Friday. I did Atlanta last week. If you go
on my website, I’ve got dates for the next three months and
I had planned on recording a brand new special in Boston in
two months’ time. I have a deal with a network, with a
channel to release that, but I can’t tell you which channel
Nick Thank you. Thank you very much.
Jim There’s a deal set.
Moderator Thank you. Our next question is from the line of
from the TV Mega Site, Suzanne, please pronounced your last
Suzanne Suzanne Lanoue.
Jim That wasn’t so hard to pronounce; I don’t know why he
couldn’t read Lanoue.
Suzanne Well, you know, it’s not spelled like it sounds.
Jim Jeffery is my middle name. I had to change my
name from—my real name was Nugent, and that’s why the
character in the show, the family in the show is called the Nugents because when I was living in Australia and started
doing standup they used to introduce me as … or … Ted Nugent
is not very popular in Australia; let’s just put it that
Suzanne Not anywhere, actually. I was going to ask you,
let’s see, I saw the four episodes that they sent out and
they were really funny.
Jim Thank you.
Suzanne It’s one of those shows where you’re sort of going
along and you go, okay, okay, that’s funny, ha, ha, ha; and
then something happens and you just go oh my gosh, that’s so
funny. I love when it does that.
Jim We try to have a few little laughs and then try of have
one sort of—one or two real big moments. I think that’s how
life is. You’re with your friends, you laugh a little bit,
you laugh a little bit, and then something big happens. I
think a lot of network sitcoms it’s just laughs per minute.
I don’t think they even care how big the laughs are. As long
as they can pack so many into that timeline. We have
episodes where there’s maybe five, six minutes where nothing
funny happens, but you got to keep the story compelling is
what I think. Anyway, that wasn’t your question, but that’s
the question I’ll ask for you.
Suzanne That’s okay. I was going to ask you, I think we’ve
got four episodes. How many episodes are there total in the
Jim There are 13...? Yes, there are 13.
Suzanne Thirteen. Now that you had the first season under
your belt, are you finding are people recognizing you more?
Are you getting more fan feedback about the show?
Jim Yes, I wouldn’t say I’m getting recognized more or that
I’m more famous. I was already recognized a fair amount
because of my standup, but I’m getting different
demographics of people recognizing me. I’m getting more all
ages. It used to be that people that came to my standup were
just sort of men in their mid-20s used to come and watch me
perform standup; but now I’m getting noticed by the opposite
sex and … couples will come up to me in a restaurant and say
we just love your show. It’s never couples that enjoyed me.
It was always just the guy with his friends who enjoyed me.
I kind of think that the show—I think people thought when I
was going to make a sitcom that it would just dirty or it
would just be whatever, you know and it is. It is dirty at
times, it’s very similar what I do in standup, but it’s also
I think it sounds sweet, almost sickly sweet at times.
Suzanne Yes, it’s well balanced between the really just sort
of—I don’t want to say awful, but the really profane with
the really sweet and I think that saves it in a way because
you say I’m watching this really awful show, but it’s about
a guy in a wheelchair.
Jeff Yes, I get slightly offended when people go obviously
Jim Jefferies is playing an exaggerated version of himself
where this guy is a ruthless … or something like that. And
then I’m like I’m playing, I’m playing—it’s not that
exaggerated. It’s pretty close to me and I don’t think I’m
an …. I think even when I watch it, I think the character on
the show is a pretty decent guy all in all. I think for the
most part he’s not evil or anything like that. He’s an
idiot, but I think the nice things he does outweighs the
bad. I don’t think anyone in society is completely nice or
completely bad. I think that all of us are two sides of the
I just hope that it’s a fair representation of guys like me.
I hope I empower other sleaze bags and … that they can be
good people as well.
Suzanne I have another question, but I’ll let someone else
ask a question first. Thank you very much.
Jeff Thank you.
Moderator (Operator instructions given.) We do have a
question from Ernie Estrella, BuzzFocus.com. Please go
Ernie Hello, Jim. Nice to speak with you. The second season
is off to a great start.
Jim Thank you.
Ernie I wanted to know for Season 2 obviously you want to be
able to expand the scope of the series. There are some
really nice moments with “Walter” and “Ramona” already. Will
we see more and more development with these two characters,
Jim What happens with “Ramona” did you say?
Ernie Are we going to continue to see an expanded role for
Jim We expanded a role for “Ramona,” but to be honest with
you, I’ve got a bigger idea for her in Season 3, which I
wanted to spin into this season, but I don’t know if we’ll
go to Season 3, but I’ve got a bigger storyline than I
couldn’t quite fit in for her at the moment. We went a lot
with “Walter” moves into the house this season and so
there’s a lot more for John Ratzenberger to do; but then
also in this season my parents come over to visit, so we
introduce two new characters there. It’s all about figuring
out time, but yet you will see “Ramona” develop a lot this
season, but not as much as you will the next season. As I
said, I’ve got a big idea for her coming up.
Ernie Okay. Was the expanded idea with her kind of was borne
out being able to see what she brought to the table in
Season 1, or was it—
Jim Sonya Eddy is a super great actress. She’s like the
nicest woman in the world. Yes, of course, I want to bring
her character more out of just being a nurse. It seems that
everybody, whoever meets that lady casts her as a nurse,
she’s in General Hospital and I just watched … and she was a
nurse in a nursing home there, so it’s not going to be—the
storyline she has now we’re going to delve a little bit more
into her personal life, her romantic life, and not so much
that she’s just a carer for “Billy.” She’s going to become
more of a rounded person.
I think in the first season there was a definite feel of
maybe she was just a foil to our plans that would tell us
that we’re bad people or whatever; but now she’s sort of
more involved directly in our plans as one of the bad people
Ernie Yes, definitely. That’s what’s making it so fun, so
Jim Yes, we have an episode where she gets into—I won’t say
too much, but she gets into a bar fight and I have to bail
her out, so that wouldn’t have happened first season.
Ernie Great, awesome, thanks.
Moderator Next question is from the line of Steve Ramos,
Upcoming-Movies. Please go ahead.
Jim I’m just going to put something down, just give me ten
seconds. Okay. Hold on. Good day, mate. ….
Steve Fantastic. Jim, thanks for your time this morning.
Congratulations on Season 2.
Jim Thank you.
Steve You’re welcome. A quick question, the idea of comics
shattering sacred cows goes back decades, beyond George
Carlin to the origins of comedy itself, whether we’re
talking standup or your films, HBO specials, or the series
itself. You seem to really wear that mantle well, so I’m
asking you this morning, do you really embrace that? Do you
really see what your comic writing is and your storytelling,
is it about shattering sacred cows and is there one sacred
cow joke that maybe you would never tell on the show or in a
Jim No, I’ve never made conscious effort to—I think I’m
known for my standup providing a lot of maybe atheist
related anti-religion stuff. I’ve only ever done it because
I thought it was funny and also because I’m heavily
influenced by George Carlin. Is there a topic I wouldn’t
talk about? No, as long as it’s funny, I sometimes to the
level of things that you’re making the level of funny has to
come up as well. I know comics that aren’t as …, but when
you watch them, you’re more offended because they think it’s
just all dirty words or just saying the words right or
talking about pedophilia or something. Those subjects you
can’t talk about. You got to try or at least attempt to be
insightful or to have some type of reference that makes
As for sacred cows in the TV show, the only reason we had
the character of “Billy” as a muscular dystrophy character
is because I grew up with a guy with muscular dystrophy, and
I took a guy with muscular dystrophy to a brothel before he
was going to die. He was one of my best friends and he’s
still alive, mind you, so that all really happened. Then
when you have a character like “Billy” in the show, he has
to have come from a home, and so you have to populate that
world and so then you have to bring other disabled actors,
and so I think people could watch the show and say that we
have a hard on for having disabled characters in that show,
but that’s just not the case. It’s just organically where
the story from my actual life started and where it built.
I like to think that especially with the character of
“Rodney” that we’re not doing anything—we have a mentally
challenged actor, who performs regularly on our show. But I
don’t think we ever do anything gratuitous or—we try to
treat him like any other character on the show as one of the
guys; but we also don’t make him like a sickly sorry
character where you have to be sorry for him like a Hallmark
movie. I don’t know if that answers your question, but those
are things I’m happy to say.
Steve Thank you.
Jim All right, thank you.
Moderator Next question is from the line of Robert Thoms,
TVRage.com. Please go ahead.
Robert You said that the second season isn’t going to be so
heavily based off of your standup, but has working with your
standup in the form of putting it into the sitcom made you
more focused on the standup somehow, or like have they
affected each other?
Jim It made me focus on the standup in the extent that if I
put all my stories into the sitcom, then I can’t perform it
on stage, so it makes me write standup to do; but also I
think writing a TV show, having that discipline where I have
to go into an office every day for a few months until it was
done maybe helped with the discipline of writing a standup
as well. I used to never write my standup down. I still
don’t write my standup on paper or anything; but I used to
just organically do it on stage, have an idea, chatted it up
a little bit. Now I’m keeping notes. I’m trying to keep up
with the … of this world and try to bring out a special
But this new season, as I said, is not really based on the
standup. I had a few fans that enjoyed the show, but they
were a bit pissy that it wasn’t all new material for the
sitcom, so now hopefully we’ll be pleasing them as well.
Robert I liked it. That was actually what drew me to it
Jim If you’ve watch my standup, there’s a story of a … where
I go off to entertain the troops and that story will be
played out this season in Episode 7, I believe.
Robert Nice. I’ll look forward to seeing that.
Moderator Okay. Next question is from the line of Sean
McCarthy, The Comic's Comic. Please go ahead.
Sean Thank you.
Jim I love the Comic’s Comic.
Sean Jim, good to talk to you again. By playing a comedian
on the show, you get to show how people both in the business
and people just outside of show business feel about standup
comedians in general. Have you noticed a difference in
approaching Season 2 how outsiders feel about standup
Jim I noticed it not from the general public, but I sort of
noticed it from the actors we have on. With the actors there
are two types of actors. There’s the actors who can
acknowledge that they could never do standup comedy. Then
there’s the pretentious ones, who believe that acting is
harder than standup comedy. I definitely don’t think it is.
I also think making a comedy is substantially harder than
making a drama. Maybe that’s arrogant of me to say that, but
if I ask you right now what’s your ten favorite dramas of
the last five years, you’d able to rattle them off easy.
There are five of them on the air right now.
I was watching True Detectives … The Americans are coming
out. Brilliant, right? But if I ask you to give your top ten
sitcoms over the last five years, you’d be struggling to
even find at least ten that you like. There’s as many
sitcoms or half hour comedies coming out as there is dramas,
so this is my argument. You put more actors and more comedy
actors in a drama, we do a better job than if all those
dramatic actors came over and tried to do our comedy. There
are actors everywhere who is going to read this and hate me
for saying that.
Sean But just in terms like I noticed over the weekend FX
replayed the family episode where you’re doing a career day
at the high school and just talking to kids about being a
comedian. Even just from then to now I’m seeing so many
other show pitches and treatments that revolve around
standup comedy as a plot device.
Jim Yes, I think standup comedy in its heyday, in my mind I
think went through one in the ‘80s and I think it’s back
again as popular as it’s ever been. But I find it weird that
people go Louie … himself in a standup show, so this show is
similar to Louie because Jim’s playing himself. My argument
is no, no, no, Louie’s show was similar to Seinfeld and
Seinfeld’s show was doing something similar to any other
comic …. We use to give comics these fake occupations in
sitcoms. We’ll make a show. We’ll call it the Bob Newhart
Show, but we’ll give him a different job.
What’s the second point? Let the guy play himself and in a
job that he knows being funny and that sort of stuff.
There’s a run of these shows like Curb Your Enthusiasm,
Seinfeld, Louie, Legit where it is a kind of a genre in its
own right and I think it’s … great genre. I think it’s the
best I do. What better way to showcase a person’s talent
than to showcase their actual talent?
Sean I agree.
Jim I hope there’s another ten of these shows and we all
have a go at it.
Sean Thanks, Jim.
Moderator Next question is from the line of Bruce Eisen,
Here is TV. Please go ahead.
Bruce Hello, Jim. Thanks for making the time for the call.
I’m wondering when you’re not busy working, if that’s ever
the case, what do you like to watch on TV?
Jim I was a big fan of Breaking Bad. I’m really into True
Detectives and The Americans at the moment…are the three
shows that I’m sort of watching. As for half hour comedies,
there’s nothing out at the moment that’s really got my … I
watch Louie. I really like the first five seasons of The
Office, but then it sort of went south for me. This one is
going to sound weird, but my girlfriend is really into this
show and so we watch a lot of RuPaul’s Drag Race at my
house. I’m quite the authority on what a good drag queen
looks like and what a bad one does. I’m putting it out here
right now that if anyone can write this in your article,
they have guest judges, I want to be a guest judge on
RuPaul’s Drag Race. I wouldn’t take … and I would it
properly and I wouldn’t be rude or nothing. I just want to
be a judge because it would make my girlfriend very happy.
Bruce Thank you very much. I appreciate it.
Jim I also watch a lot of cooking shows because I don’t want
to be influenced by other comedies, so I’m a big Master Chef
Bruce Thank you.
Moderator Next question is from the line of Suzanne Lanoue,
the TV MegaSite. Please go ahead.
Suzanne Hello again. I was wondering in the last episode
that they sent out, it seems like there’s kind of a turning
point; maybe that’s why they sent us the four episodes,
where he sort of had to decide what he wants to do next. I
don’t want to say spoilers, but—
Jim I know what episode you’re talking about. That
character, played by Jill Latiano was the character “Katie
Knox,” I can say this much, will become my … Episode 4 all
the way through to the end of the season. It will be—a
decision is made and that storyline is something that
actually happened in my own life. It’s never something that
happened in my standup, but it’s something that happened to
me in reality. A girl that I loved in high school I
reconnected with for a very bad situation. I just said that
like Borat; so a very bad situation.
That storyline will be the major character action and
“Steve” has his own problems with he’s getting his kid back
until he gets a girlfriend. The character of “Jim” …
“Steve,” their lives go down the toilet and the character of
“Billy,” his life starts to improve and to get better. By
the end everything comes to a big decision on the last
episode. Like I don’t know if the show will be picked up or
cancelled, but if you start watching it, please watch it to
the end, because it does have a great ending to it.
Suzanne Interesting. I was wondering when you’re basing a
show on somebody sort of in real life, do you have to worry
about, do you have to like get your old girlfriend’s
permission to use her character, or you just hope she
doesn’t see it or how does that work?
Jim I didn’t use her name. Actually the name of that
character is called “Katie Knox,” which is the name of the
girl that my brother lost his virginity to. I don’t know how
to get in contact with her or she probably won’t even know
who I am, because I’ve changed my last name and my brother
is a fairly forgettable guy. Hopefully we won’t get sued by
Suzanne That’s very interesting. Thank you very much. I look
forward to the rest of the episodes.
Jim Thank you very much.
Moderator (Instructions given.) We do have a question from
the line of Ernie Estrella, BuzzFocus.com. Please go ahead.
Ernie Jeff, when you’re basing stuff off of your real life,
is there any point when you’re in the writing process where
you feel like I’m just going to exorcise this out and kind
of play it out as it did in real life, or do you want to
change it up or kind of put it into a fantasy point where
you kind of idealize the moment?
Jim No, I normally play it out pretty much exactly as it
happened. If I can add a little bit of funny to it that
didn’t happen, then I will. Sometimes you’re doing things
directly from your own life, especially if they’re sad
things, it’s very cathartic to actually make them into
comedy, you know? But the only time I worry about it is if
I’m hurting other people in my personal life. Normally I can
change the name or I can change the location to say these
things happened in America; they didn’t happen in Australia.
There’s always enough change in it that people can even lie
to themselves and go maybe he’s a talking about a different
girl or different friend or a different thing.
Except for when it came to doing a storyline involving my
parents and I’m using the exact dialog from what both of
them have said to me in my life and some of it is a little
bit harsh. My mother I know gets very upset by the whole
thing because she thinks I only remember the bad bits of my
childhood. I try to explain to her the bad bits are the
funny bits and no one wants to watch a show about my good
childhood or good things that happened to me with me and my
parents. My parents have not seen the show. They’ll see it
when it airs in Australia. I’m very nervous about them
watching the episode that involved them, because I’m
displaying a lot of their dirty laundry and maybe that’s not
fair on them, but I’ve got to write a TV show ….
Ernie Good luck on that. I also wanted to ask too about the
“Steve” character. Like you said you really put him through
the ringer this season. There are a lot of fans of “Steve,”
including myself. We were wondering is there going to be any
kind of uplifting moment or at least a taste of a turnaround
for him this season?
Jim He does have a turnaround. His life does improve right
towards the very end of the season. I can’t say too much,
but it’s not going to improve greatly and there’s going to
be another dip for him right at the very end. If his life is
going to pick up substantially, it will happen in Season 3,
but at the moment no, things aren’t going good for “Steve,”
which is sort of like where I like “Steve” being. Dan
Bakkendahl plays two characters very well. He plays the guy
in Veep that’s a complete and utter …, and then he plays
like a bit of a loser on my show when he plays “Steve.” It’s
sort the same way that Rowan Atkinson could always play a
complete bastard on Blackout or a little weird guy of Mr.
Bean. You have two … in the opposite direction. Dan
Bakkendahl plays an excellent drunk, an excellent drunk. I
think he used to be one and he’s really channeling his past
Ernie I tend to think that he’s a very important part of the
show, so I’m excited to see what ….
Jim For me the character “Steve” is even more the heart of
the show than “Billy” is. I think most people would say that
“Billy” is sort of the heart of the show, but the thing is I
sort of explored this year about “Steve” is, “Steve” is
based on a character from my life as well, the brother of
the guy that had muscular dystrophy. It’s not just hard on
the person with the disability. Sometimes a sibling when you
have a severely disabled brother or a sister, the sibling
will feel left out. They never got to go to fun parks. They
never had holidays that were that exciting because they
always had to have care at hand, you know what I mean? Maybe
emotionally the parents didn’t care that much about whether
they went to university or whatever, because they always
assumed that that person was all right, and they were all
right in comparison.
We do explore the whole idea of what happens to the lost
child in their family. What happens to the one whose dreams
didn’t matter because they were so focused on making this
other person’s life okay?
Ernie That’s awesome. That’s like some of the most powerful
stuff on the show and sort of the most surprising, I think
like you said the heart of the show, so good luck in Season
Jim Thank you. Thank you very much.
Moderator Our next question is from Robert Thoms, TVRage.com.
Please go ahead.
Robert First I’m loving the heart, because it’s just the
contrast and the balance, but I was wondering if you’re
getting John Ratzenberger back and if you’ve pushed or
thought if you’re going to get George Wendt like you had
mentioned before, another interview.
Jim We got John Ratzenberger; he’s in about eight episodes
this season. In fact his character, I’m not giving too much
away, separates from his wife for a while and moves in the
boys, so the cast of three becomes a cast of four for a few
episodes of main characters. It is a joy to be working
with…. I know he’d probably hate for me for saying that, but
the way we got John Ratzenberger into the show is every time
we wrote a script for Season 1 and we write that father
character and we were doing a table read around with the two
other writers, just the three of us would be reading the
scripts, I’d always read the part of “Walter.” Whenever I
read the part of “Walter,” I would do a John Ratzenberger
impersonation. I always would just say, “hey, hey, you know
what Jimmie? You got enough to do that anyway naturally.” In
the end we just went, why don’t we just call him? Maybe
he’ll do it. He jumped at the chance. He came straight on.
The guest stars we have this year I’m super excited. We have
Carrie Fisher in an episode and she was just great. She’s
not playing Carrie Fisher. She’s playing like an executive
of the network. We got Bob Saget in the show. We got Buster
Drew obviously is in the first show. We got the midgets from
the Howard Stern Show who is going to be on. We got Tom
Arnold to come in and do his thing. … and George Lazenby, he
plays my dad, who is James Bond for one movie if you
Robert The George Wendt thing was mostly a joke; you haven’t
Jim Sorry, say that again. You were a little bit blurred,
Robert George Wentz, putting George and John back together,
you joked about it in another—
Jim We considered that, but I was a little bit—I had a
character and I thought maybe we could make George Wentz
play the character, but then I wanted the show to have its
own identity, its own feel. I don’t see the point in doing
homage to an old show. As much as I’d love to see those two
together and work with them, that would be awesome, but I
watched—there’s like that show Kirstie on TV Land and it’s
feels like every episode they’re trying to work in Jason
Alexander or George Wendt or John Travolta, so they’re
going, look anybody who ever acted with, look, they’re
paired up together. It’s nice for a minute. You go…but then
maybe it takes you out of the reality of the show you’re
watching for a little tiny bit.
Whenever you watch It’s Sunny in Philadelphia, they don’t
try to pair up Danny DeVito with Tony Danza, so they can
have a Taxi reunion, so I don’t think we’ll be doing that.
As much as I would enjoy doing it and making it, I just
think for the quality of the show that might be a bad step.
Robert That’s interesting. Thank you.
Jim Thank you.
Moderator Thank you. At this time we have no further
questions in queue.
Kristy Awesome. Thank you all so much for joining us today
and especially Jim. We really, really appreciate your time.
As a reminder—
Jim Thank you for everyone for the questions, I appreciate
you all coming on ….
Kristy As a reminder Legit premieres Wednesday, February
26th at 10 p.m. Eastern and Pacific only on FXX. If you have
any lingering questions, go ahead and give me a call at
310-369-3699. You may all now disconnect. Thanks again, Jim.
Jim Thank you.
Moderator Thank you, have a good day.
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