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Interview with Kyle Gallner and Ryan
Hurst of "Outsiders" on WGN America 3/10/16
Moderator: Hayley Strichman
March 10, 2016 4:45 pm CT
Dawn: Hi everyone. This is (Dawn) from WGN America.
Thank you for participating in this conference call for
Outsiders. After the last episode, I think everybody knows
the Farrells are in for some big changes.
And we have
Ryan Hurst who plays Li'l Foster and Kyle Gallner as Hasil
here to answer some of your questions. So I'll turn it over
to the moderator for questions. Thank you.
Coordinator: We will now begin the question and answer
session. Our first question will come from Suzanne
Lanoue. You have an open line. You may begin.
Suzanne Lanoue: Hi. Good morning. Thanks for taking our
Kyle Gallner: Yes, of course.
Hurst: Yes. Yes.
Suzanne Lanoue: I have a question
for each of you. Ryan, how is this character different from
the ones you've played previously?
Ryan Hurst: I
think that you're probably referring to Opie from Sons of
Anarchy just because they look similar. But I think - I'd
say, you know, that Li'l Foster is different in that he's a
very, very sensitive guy who's very dependent on the opinion
of his father and also the opinion of his love, you know,
And he doesn't, you know, he doesn't
necessarily know yet exactly who he is in relation to
himself. So he's kind of got some growing up to do. And I
think that's different than a lot of characters that I've
played in the past.
Suzanne Lanoue: All right,
thanks. And Kyle, what do you think is the biggest
difference between your character now where you're sort of a
protagonist. You're - well you are the protagonist but
you're - I wouldn't say that's a good guy but kind of a good
And characters you played in the past, where you
were younger and more maybe innocent?
Younger and more innocent? I did way crazier people than
this guy over here. You know, yes I mean Hasil's different,
you know? He's a little more grown up, but he is - he's
still a little reckless. He's a little bit of a wild child
but he has a big heart, you know?
And he loves
fiercely and he loves his family and at the same time, you
know, where that maybe not good guy thing comes in is that
he can be kind of savage and violent at times.
think that really just is the nature of the beast. I think
that's who we are. So, you know, I think there's a lot more
depth to this guy than a lot of the stuff I've got to play,
particularly on TV.
When I was younger, there's just
more to him, you know? He's not a cut and dry bad guy and
he's not kind of like a meek sort of helpless victim. He's
very much a full person with a lot going on. So yes, I think
that's the difference. I'm not totally sure but he feels
Suzanne Lanoue: All right. Thanks a lot.
I appreciate it, you guys.
Ryan Hurst: Yes, you got
Kyle Gallner: Yes, sure.
Thank you. Once again for our participants, to ask a
question please press Star followed by 1. And to withdraw
your request, you may press Star followed by 2. The next
question will come from Tony Tellado. You have an open
line. You may begin.
Tony Tellado: Thank you. Great
to talk to you guys. You know, the - what's interesting
about this show is that they really - you all live - your
characters live in like this self-contained world, although
the outside world obviously creeps in.
As actors, how
do you kind of prepare yourselves to kind of be in a world
where essentially you're all off the grid?
Gallner: Well, you know, we've - this has sort of been
discussed before where - not with you obviously but there's
something to - you know, people ask you did you, you know,
did you go to Kentucky?
Did you go off the grid? Did
you actually, you know, go live that life? And, you know,
you could do that. And there's things where I personally,
you know, read books and, you know, kind of tried to study
But Ryan has mentioned before that one of
the biggest things was, you know, there's a totally
fictional world and once you - once we got on the set and we
got onto - you know, we go into our wardrobe and we, you
know, got the tattoos on.
And we got, you know, we
really stepped into these character's shoes and then we show
up on set with, you know, these amazing buildings and you
really get to step into our world for the first time.
I think that probably helped inform things more than
Ryan Hurst: Yes. I mean I would say
the exact same thing.
Tony Tellado: And guys, any
rumblings for next season yet?
Kyle Gallner: Your
guess is as good as ours man.
Ryan Hurst: Yes. Yes, I
mean who knows? The numbers seem pretty good, but we haven't
got the pick-up yet so. You know?
Kyle Gallner: Yes,
we haven't heard. We're going into Episode 8 and still no
word. So I don't know what they're waiting for. The numbers
- yes, like Ryan said, the numbers are good. So fingers
Ryan Hurst: Yes.
Tony Tellado: All
right. Great. I'll keep mine crossed as well.
Hurst: Awe, thank you man.
Kyle Gallner: Thank you.
Coordinator: Thank you. And our next question will come
from (Diana Marsh). You have an open line.
Marsh: All right guys. Thank you so much for answering our
questions. Of course we really appreciate your time. My
first question though is to Kyle. Kyle, you know, over your
television and movie career, your roles have been a little
What would you say really draws you to your
character -- especially for your character for Outsiders?
Kyle Gallner: It's a funny thing. You know, sometimes
you don't get to choose and you just have to work. And then
sometimes there's something about a character that's really
interesting, you know?
I like to tell good stories
whenever I can and just play interesting characters. Like
you said, it's been eclectic and that's sort of been on
purpose. I like to do all sorts of different stuff.
You know, the goal at the end of the day I would like to be
considered a bit of a character actor. I think that was one
of the draws to Hasil. You know, you get to put on the
accent and you get to put on the clothes. You get to put on
the hair. You get to put on the tattoos.
You get to
really create this guy who is so not you. And that was one
of the really exciting things that really drew me to the
show. You know, this script and the world was extremely
And, you know, couple that with the fact
that I really thought I could do a lot of interesting - or
try to do a lot of interesting stuff with Hasil that it was
kind of a no-brainer for me.
Diana Marsh: Awesome.
Thank you. I appreciate it.
Coordinator: Thank you.
Once again for our participants over the phone, to ask a
question you may press Star followed by 1. And to withdraw
your request, press Star followed by 2.
will come from Douglas Dobbins. You have an open line. You
Douglas Dobbins: Hey guys, thanks for
talking to us today. We really appreciate it.
Hurst: You got it.
Kyle Gallner: Of course.
Douglas Dobbins: So I grew up in an area -- Northern Idaho
-- where there were people who actually had some of these
attitudes. Due to things, they actually had attitudes which
were very against - I had a family who was law enforcement.
So have you ever - after the working the show or did
things, kind of look at the characters on just a personal
level or the society that is set up why it is a fictional
And kind of have takeaways that you kind of -
have affected your thoughts on the world which we actually
do we live in and people who are kind of outsiders from the
norms and accepted societies for yourselves as people?
Ryan Hurst: Yes, well I mean I think it's - to me
personally, I mean I don't necessarily know that I've taken
so much into myself, you know, from my experiences. But I -
well what I found the most interesting is that the sort of
the Zeitgeist, you know, behind this whole thing is, oh my
gosh these people are off of the grid, you know?
you know, it wasn't that long ago that nobody had cell
phones, you know? And now it's the - it's, you know, an
enormous, you know, electronic leash that we have that
everybody is so codependent to.
And that is what I
find the most interesting is, you know, while we're doing
these type of (precedents) is a lot of people ask like, "oh
could you, you know, be unplugged? Could you go off the
And it was like - it wasn't that long - like,
sure I've been to summer camp. Haven't we all been to - you
know, it's like been on a boat somewhere and not been able
to check your e-mail. You know, is...
Ryan Hurst: Because I think that that's really
sort of, you know, a powerful statement, you know, to the
times, you know? But it's not necessarily, you know,
directly to connected to Outsiders.
But, you know,
with regards to the show, I think one thing to remember is
that this is a totally fictional, you know, landscape that
we're creating. But on top of that is that the Farrells
weren't, you know, weren't necessarily a clan that broke
away from society.
They were a clan that never
integrated themselves into society because, you know, they
have their own traditions. So it's a little different than
sort of anything that actually exists.
But I don't
know - I don't necessarily know that there's a clan of
people in the United States that haven't, you know, haven't
been a part of normal culture here.
Dobbins: Okay. Yes, I can see that. I just - I was - kind
of always want to - because I, as a person, listened to once
as to people who would do that and I could say in my
experience why they were - on the thing.
and things, they touch culture in like some of the Southern
BC, Northern Idaho area. But they are very opposed - and
it's interesting their views on us being - looking at us as
people who mired in society.
And I definitely get
your whole cell phone deal. Looking back, you know, it kind
of makes you -- at least for me -- kind of made me thought a
little bit about how we accept norms in our lives and are we
actually really the normal people or not in some ways.
Ryan Hurst: Absolutely. That's a great point. That's an
absolutely great point and I think it's one of the, you
know, the sort of the idea on the title of the show which is
who is, you know, who is the outsiders. You know?
nobody has a real claim to that, you know? The claim to
being - what, you know, normal is a word that we all make
Douglas Dobbins: Great. Thank you guys.
Ryan Hurst: You got it.
Coordinator: Thank you.
And our next question will come from (Diana Marsh). You have
an open line.
Diana Marsh: All right. Well this
question is for Ryan. So Ryan, with your character Li'l
Kyle Gallner: All right. I'm out of here.
Diana Marsh: Where he's going in this show, how would
you like to see your character develop? Where would you like
to see the role lead to?
Ryan Hurst: I'm not sure,
you know. I kind of like the slow agonizing pace that, you
know, he's sort of, you know, coming into his own. You know,
I like the fact that it's driving a lot of the audience
crazy of - that this guy doesn't really speak up for
And, you know, and doesn't sort of, you
know, stand up, you know, to his father. I think that
inevitably he'll sort of find his own way and that'll be a
strong and true and gentle sort of way.
he'll end up leaving some people. Maybe he won't. But I
think it'll be, you know, I'd like to see him, you know,
become a strong leader. I think that that would be fun to
Diana Marsh: Well he's definitely a
departure from what we normally see you as. Now, do you see
yourself at all in Li'l Foster?
Ryan Hurst: No. Not
necessarily - not really at all. That was one of the harder
parts for me - is that, you know, trying to find a genuine
sort of deference to a domineering, you know, father figure
was not, you know, something that came easily to me.
So it - to remain very sort of innocent in this because, you
know, somebody being, you know, very sort of violent and
angry, you know, on a consistent basis.
it's seeking that type of approval is not something that I
personally was, you know, very used to. So it was a
Diana Marsh: Perfect. Thank you.
Ryan Hurst: You got it.
Coordinator: Thank you. Once
again to ask a question, you may press Star followed by 1.
Next question will come from (Lora Bofill). You have an open
Lora Bofill: Okay. Hi Ryan and Kyle. The show
is great. So thank you so much for joining us.
Kyle Gallner: Hi.
Okay. Oh hi. Okay, I didn't know if you could hear me. And
(in the wildness), I actually...
Kyle Gallner: Yes.
Lora Bofill: Yes. My hometown is actually West
Virginia near the border...
Ryan Hurst: Okay.
Lora Bofill: ...of the Eastern Kentucky. I live in the
area where the Hatfields and McCoys used to be. So that's
why I kind of went, "Oh the hills. Home."
Lora Bofill: Anyway. So I know - now
when you both were preparing for your roles, did you have to
do research or where did you research to understand how to
bring your characters to life?
Ryan Hurst: For me it
was, you know, the research in the darkest caverns of my
imagination. You know, is -- when you making a fictional
character -- is the most useful thing is sort of what you
can kind of bring to the table.
And also, you know,
something that my mother always told me is that a great
actor is a great observer. So a lot of it was sort of
withheld until we were, you know, the entire cast of the
Farrells, you know, were there together.
You kind of
- it was a communal - a very communal creation where we were
really playing off of each other. Discussing things
together. And also finding, you know, finding everybody's
sort of, you know, role in the spectrum of characters.
You know, is that - I - when I was like, oh, you know -
when I saw Kyle in his kilt, I was like, "Oh okay. Well that
means that I got to go this way with my costume." And that
(unintelligible), you know, Big Foster is going the more old
And he's got this headband on all the
time. And then when you go to the set and you see, you know,
this beautiful architecture that they've been working where
they're, you know, taking parts of trailers and putting them
on old shacks.
And spray painting, you know, rainbows
on the side is - that really informs your character choices
just as much as the script does.
Lora Bofill: Oh
wow. Okay. Wow. Thanks.
Ryan Hurst: Yes.
Gallner: Yes, I do - I mean it was - sorry, I didn't know if
you were waiting. No, it was one of those things. It's like
Ryan said. You know, I bought books and I did all sorts of
stuff and I kept finding myself really being like well I'm
still not quite sure what to do.
Ryan Hurst: Yes.
Kyle Gallner: And then, you know, the day you get there
and like you said with the (decks) - with that kilt on, I
mean, and the wardrobe and everything. And you get on set
and you see everybody dressed up is when you can really
start, you know, you really start pulling everything
Ryan Hurst: Yes.
Lora Bofill: So
being onset actually brings out the character and informs
the story? Just being there? Just brings it alive?
Kyle Gallner: Well I think especially in a situation like
this because it's - you know, you're trying to do research
on all these people that have lived in the Appalachian
Mountains or, you know, groups that have lived up there or
even to find documentaries about stuff.
But at the
same time, what we're doing is completely its own thing. I
mean the Farrells are their own - well really their own
people, you know, with their own customs that we've created
and their own, you know, their own things that we came up
So, you know, it's not like you can read a book
and be like ah yes, well this is what they've done. Like
well, we don't know what they've done because they've never
Ryan Hurst: (Unintelligible).
Kyle Gallner: So that's why it's really getting everybody
together particularly on this one was the most helpful
because we were like okay, what do we think we believe in?
What do we think we stand for?
What do think our
customs should be or, you know, our traditions should be?
Like, you know, a good example is whenever Lady Ray enters
the room. That bow where you touch your hand to your lips
and you bow down. That was created on the day. It was
Lora Bofill: Oh wow.
...you know, what do we do? And we discussed it. And that's
what we ultimately came up with. So, you know, the world
grew as the show went on.
Lora Bofill: Okay. And
just as a follow-up to that question, so are there a lot of
unscripted moments where all of you and the cast will just
add something on the spot that wasn't originally in the
Ryan Hurst: I think that - I mean unscripted
- I think that there was a lot of input from the cast in
general. You know? His - again, like this - when you're
creating a fictional culture, you know, is - the best part
is that, you know, Peter Mattei, the creator, was very open
and willing to collaborate with, you know, with everyone.
In fact, you know, when we said what about this and what
about that or if we had questions, he was not afraid to say,
"I don't know." You know, when we were - you know, everyone
was pressing him for, you know, well what is this culture's
like a central religion?
And he was like I don't know
yet. Let's find it together. And he really welcomed, you
know, everybody kind of participating in that. And on
different levels, you know, he's - so I don't necessarily
know that, you know, there was a lot of improve so to speak.
I mean there was a normal amount but...
Lora Bofill: Mm-hm.
Ryan Hurst: ...going into things is
when the scripts would first come out is, you know, the cast
would come back with lots and lots and lots of input that
was, you know, genuinely enriching the show. It - is making
it - you know, is foundationally, you know, like giving the
contents some blood so to speak.
Lora Bofill: Oh
okay. So there's a lot of collaboration. Well it's great. I
mean it - the show's great and I just thank you guys for
bringing these characters to life. It's wonderful.
Ryan Hurst: Oh thank you.
Kyle Gallner: Thank you.
Lora Bofill: Thank you.
Coordinator: Once again
participants, to ask a question you may press Star followed
by 1. And to withdraw your request, you may press Star
followed by 2. The next question will come from (Diana
Marsh). You have an open line.
Diana Marsh: Well
this question is for both of you guys. You know, obviously
the cast is very impressive. Some wonderful people on it
that you're working with. But is this the first that all of
you have worked together or is there - any of the actors
that you two have personally worked with outside of
Kyle Gallner: I...
Ryan Hurst: This
is the first time I have worked with anyone.
Gallner: Yes, me too. I mean I haven't worked with anybody
on this set.
Ryan Hurst: I mean...
Ryan Hurst: ...I had heard that Joe
had worked with David or I'm not sure. I'm not sure. But I
know it was - I was there inside...
Kyle Gallner: I
think David's daughter worked with Joe.
Oh that's what it was.
Kyle Gallner: Yes. I think
actually - I actually think nobody had worked together
before. You know? I think Gillian and Thomas may have known
each other a little bit or maybe I'm like totally lumping
them together because they're both Australian.
think they may have known each other. But I think, no,
everybody was pretty new. I mean I had never even - I had
never worked with any of the directors. I've never worked
Ryan Hurst: Yes.
Wow awesome. All right, thank you.
next question will come from (Douglas Dobbins). You have an
Douglas Dobbins: So guys, is there
anything about the set which has (proven) to be unusual to
shoot the show or has changed in what - how you have to
approach certain scenes with the acting compared to past
shows at all?
Ryan Hurst: I don't necessarily
Douglas Dobbins: I would say - to
Ryan Hurst: That what would the - I mean
Douglas Dobbins: But what are kind of the
challenges of it?
Ryan Hurst: Challenges with the
Douglas Dobbins: Is there any - yes, anything
special with the set which has caused it to be unique to
shoot with - to do shots with for the show at all?
Kyle Gallner: You know, I think being up on the mountain was
difficult whenever we had the days up where the, you know,
where the Farrells lived. There were days where we would
shoot on hillside and the camera guys would have to, you
know, haul all that equipment up.
And we have ropes
hanging down basically like steep, steep hillsides so people
can pull themselves up. You're dealing with sunburn and
mosquitoes and you're in thick of it.
I mean there's
some shots that you're really pretty deep in the woods and I
think that's definitely offered its own unique challenge.
Douglas Dobbins: Okay. Yes. I was just kind of curious
because I have not seen a lot of behind-the-scenes shooting
of your set and I was wondering if it was like, you know,
There was definitely situations and certain
props - and let's say to pick on things -- and Ryan --
motorcycles and things which bring in their own uniqueness
to add realism and to do things or just get set up. And I
was just kind of curious how much of a difficulty the
mountain actually is to shoot on.
Kyle Gallner: Ryan,
you were probably up there more than I was.
Hurst: Yes, I mean there's always challenges shooting
anything. It's like going to war, you know? I mean anything
- it's always like camping, you know? It's like there's
nowhere to sit down. There's nowhere to go to the bathroom.
It's always hot, you know? It's never fun.
So I mean there's always going to be challenges. But that's
the name of the game.
Kyle Gallner: Don't say it's
Ryan Hurst: Well I mean, you know what I
mean. But it's like...
Kyle Gallner: I know. I'm
Douglas Dobbins: So the typical hurry up
and wait, and then oh my god, I have to get my body in that
position. They are really - director, okay. It just contains
all those typical challenges then?
Ryan Hurst: Yes.
Kyle Gallner: Yes, of course. You know, every set adds
to it - has its own, you know, has its own challenges
whether you can lock a street up or whether you're in the
woods or suddenly show up and it's raining. And it's not
supposed to rain. And there's always something.
Douglas Dobbins: Okay. Great guys.
Ryan Hurst: Thanks.
Ryan Hurst: Thank you.
Thank you. At this time, there are no more questions in
Ryan Hurst: All right.
Dawn: Okay. Thanks everybody.
Hurst: Thank you.
Kyle Gallner: Cool. Thank you guys.
Ryan Hurst: All right. Bye-bye.
Dawn: All right,
Ryan Hurst: Bye.
Kyle Gallner: Bye
Coordinator: And that concludes today's
conference. Thank you for participating. You may now
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