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By Suzanne

Interview with Josh Berman, Craig Zadan and Tyler Jacob Moore of "Drop Dead Diva" on Lifetime 8/14/12

This was a very interesting call with producers Berman and Zadan, and guest-star Moore. Sometimes it's hard to know what to ask a guest-star from one episode, but along with the producers, he had a lot to say! I enjoyed hearing them talk about this issue, for a change, rather than just the TV show. And it was quite a great episode, too. I hope you got to see it!

DROP DEAD DIVA CONFERENCE CALL
Moderator: Devon Sanceda
August 14, 2012
3:12 pm CT

Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Drop Dead Diva conference call with executive producers Josh Berman, Craig Zadan and guest star, Tyler Jacob Moore.

During the presentation, all participants will be in a listen only mode. Afterwards, we’ll conduct a question and answer session. At that time, if you have a question, please press the 1 followed by the 4 on your telephone. If at any time during the conference you need to reach an operator, please press star 0.

As a reminder, this conference is being recorded Tuesday, August 14, 2012. I would now like to turn the conference over to Devon Sanceda. Please go ahead.

Devon Sanceda: Hi everyone, thanks again for joining the call. This week’s episode of Drop Dead Diva will air Sunday, August 19 on Lifetime at 9:00 pm and it takes on the 2005 FDA rule that precludes gay men from donating sperm. Tyler Jacob Moore plays Dan Abraham - a gay many who was arrested for donating sperm and he is represented by the Drop Dead Diva team of lawyers who eventually argue that the only basis for the FDA restriction is homophobia.

On today’s call, you have our executive producers Josh Berman and Craig Zadan who can speak to why they chose to bring this storyline to Drop Dead Diva and we also have our guest star Tyler Jacob Moore who can discuss why he chose to participate.

I’ll have a transcript of this call available for you all tomorrow afternoon. But, we’re ready to begin. Thank you again for joining. Chris, you can open it up for questions.

Operator: Thank you. And once again, ladies and gentlemen, to register for a question please press the 1 followed by the four on your telephone.

Our first question comes from the line of Jamie Steinberg from Starry Constellation Magazine. Please go ahead.

Jamie Steinberg: Hi, such a pleasure to speak with all of you again.

Josh Berman: Thank you Jamie.

Tyler Jacob Moore: Yes, thanks.

Jamie Steinberg: I was wondering, Tyler, if you could talk a little bit about what about the role resonated an interested you.

Tyler Jacob Moore: Sure. Well, I originally - I mean, as an actor you sadly read a lot of crap out there and certainly these days....

Craig Zadan: There goes the press conference.

Jamie Steinberg: Yes, that’s a technical term.

Tyler Jacob Moore: Right, right, that’s the technical term, yes. But - and so when you read - when I read the script for this initially, it’s always refreshing to read something that is actually in general, you know, the writing as well is well crafted. But then on top of that, to read something that is actually, you know, fun and can be fun and silly but it’s trying to say something, kind of like, you know, a spoonful of sugar for the masses. And I think that this episode did that with the issue of gay men not being able to donate sperm.

And I - I mean, I had no - I had - originally when I read it I thought that they made it up because it seemed like such a silly rule. But then in going - reading more about the part and getting to know the creators and producers and things like it and did a little homework of my own then I in turn found out that it is in fact absolutely true. And the more I read, the more silly the whole concept of the ban got and that idea, you know, because I originally thought that it was going to be an old law like, you know, homosexual men not being able to donate blood, which was passed, like in 1982.

The FDA did it when there was, you know, a massive HIV scare and it was, you know, predominantly, you know, homosexual men were carriers and so they - everybody was nervous and nobody knew how to do anything. Whereas this law was passed in 2005, which at that point, we had multiple tests, you know, to - that we’re able to present and screen HIV from, you know, any potential carriers or donators.

So, really, the more I read about it the more I just thought that it was kind of - it’s hard to explain the scientific reasoning behind it and seemed more, I don’t know, vindictive is a harsh word. But just seemed very - like a very negative and biased law that actually, you know, had no reason or place in the modern day. And so, I immediately, you know, wanted to, you know, commend both of these guys and do this role. And I thought, you know, I could play - I could be this man pretty easily just on the idea that, you know, not know that this is a law and being kind of shocked by the whole process. And has he goes along - the character goes along just kind of being flabbergasted by the fact that we still have these types of laws on the books.

Jamie Steinberg: Well, then what challenged you about being Dan?

Tyler Jacob Moore: What challenged me about being Dan? I think the - not - I mean, not a lot. To be honest, it was a really easy character. You know, sometimes as an actor you find it hard to get yourself into the mind of a character and to kind of become this person.

But for this specific character, it was rally easy to get into his mindset of wanting to help people and he - you know, he happened - and the idea that he happens to be a gay man. And you don’t even, you know, really find that out until later I the episode, obviously, that cat may be out of the bag now. But, I just thought it was really easy to play a normal guy who happens to be gay and happens to have this law kind of happen to him.

And I think, because I know, you know, I have plenty of people that I work with, co-workers and friends who are gay and there’s not - there’s less and less, you know, the stereotype of this, you know, flamboyant, a feminine homosexual man. And it’s much more, I think, everyday guys who just - that’s the way, you know, for whatever I don’t, you know, I don’t know that - I don’t know if any of us know the details of the genetics or the -- that we’re hearing or multiple reason why. But they are gay and it’s not - it’s just who they are and it’s their sexual preference.

And there’s no reason to - I don’t know - there’s no - it just - it was just really easy for me to step into this average guy dealing with these ridiculous laws. So the whole - I mean, it’s just very normal. So his sexual preference is really - to me as an actor, I mean, it’s kind of secondary as far as the story goes just because, I mean, it’s a very important part of the story. But, I think that too many times everybody gets, you know, hung up on people’s sexual preference or culture of whatever instead of just looking at them as human beings.

Jamie Steinberg: And Josh and Craig, outside of Tyler’s wild good looks, what was it about him that made him right for the part?

Josh Berman: Well I was a huge fan of his from Shameless. I just loved the way he played the part and he’s so grounded, he’s so real and it was important for this character to really feel like any - like, I want everyone who watches the show to feel like they know Dan Abraham, which is the name of the character he plays. And Tyler is so fantastic, so grounded, so real, you just - and he - the notion of the everyday man being caught up in this maelstrom of crazy legislation was so compelling to us as writers. And then Tyler was our first choice for the part and when he quickly signed on it really all came together.

Jamie Steinberg: Well, I...

Craig Zadan: And this is - this is Craig. Can I say something - I know you didn’t ask this question but I want to say something at this point about - I’d love to say something about Josh because, Josh is key to this whole thing and we wouldn’t be having this discussion if it wasn’t for Josh. Not only, you know, did Josh create the show and is show runner and executive producer, but Josh has done something that I’ve really rarely seen in television. He was able to create a show and maintain it over the last four years with the amazing balance of drama and comedy. And have the moments that are very moving and touching and have the moments that are hilarious. But, that alone is a feat in television.

But what Josh has also been able to do over the last four years is find his moments where he could bring up topics that are very important to him that he wants to use in the criminal cases. And because of that, he’s opened up an entire world of thought that really doesn’t get shown on television today. So, this episode and this topic is really an example of what Josh has been able to do with Drop Dead Diva over the last four years. And I just have to say that I’m really proud of him because very few people...

Josh Berman: Thank you so much Craig.

Craig Zadan: ...have ever pulled something like this off with such talent. And I think we’re all, you know, really impressed and knocked out and grateful to have Josh being with the show for four years after creating it for years ago.

Josh Berman: Well, I...

Jamie Steinberg: You can hear him blushing.

Josh Berman: ...would like to get on these blogs - these phone calls much more often. Wow, thank you so much.

Jamie Steinberg: Thank you guys all so much for your time, can’t wait to see the episode.

Josh Berman: Ah, thank you.

Craig Zadan: Yes, thanks.

Operator: Thank you. And once again ladies and gentlemen to register for a question, please press the 1 followed by the 4 on your telephone.

Our next question comes from the line of Suzanne Lanoue from The TV MegaSite. Please go ahead.

Suzanne Lanoue: Hi, it’s great to talk to you all today and I enjoyed the episode quite a lot.

Josh Berman: Oh, thank you.

Craig Zadan: Oh, great. Thanks.

Suzanne Lanoue: I had been a little disappointed with part of last week’s episode, I don’t even remember why now. So I’m glad to see it get on - back on track this week, it was great. My question, I’m wondering if you know why that this issue is not more - why you have to bring up this issue, why don’t people know more about this.

Josh Berman: I think that that is a fantastic question and there are so many issues out there and a lot of them become agendas for different groups. And this is an issue that just affects us in the most intimate aspects of our lives, it just - it’s procreation, right. There’s not going to be lobbying groups that care about this. There’s not going to be big government entities or charitable foundations or organizations that make the way we procreate the number one issue.

So this is kind of a bit of homophobia that got into our legal system that really isn’t the primary concern of any one group or entity out there. And I think it’s ironic that it’s taking a little show like Drop Dead Diva and the passion of people like Craig Zadan and Tyler Jacob Moore to get behind it to bring an issue that no one knows about to light. And I’m really proud that this show can expose inherent homophobia in the law and at the same time be entertaining and exciting to the viewer.

Suzanne Lanoue: All right, great. Yes, I think the - it’s really war - they talk about, you know, a war on women but really when - this is one of those type of laws, the way on procreation...

Josh Berman: Oh, yes...

Suzanne Lanoue: ...and how people deal with their bodies.

Josh Berman: Yes, it - as much of this as - this is really as much a woman’s issue as it is a gay rights issue...

Suzanne Lanoue: True.

Josh Berman: ...because in a sense the law - the lawyers are telling women who they can and cannot procreate. It’s okay for a woman to get pregnant - to get artificially inseminated by a drug user, by someone who’s been with a prostitute the night before, to have a one night stand behind a bar without protection. But it’s not okay for that same woman to be artificially inseminated by a man who four years and 364 days ago had sex with another man and has since been tested to make sure he carries no diseases. That is not okay, yet all those other examples I’ve given you are okay and that’s kind of mind boggling.

Suzanne Lanoue: Well thank you very much.

Josh Berman: Thank you.

Suzanne Lanoue: Good job on the episode.

Josh Berman: Thank you.

Operator: Thank you. And once again, ladies and gentlemen to register for a question, please press the 1 followed by the 4.

Our next question comes from the line of Tobey Jeffery-Greer from The Voice of TV. Your line is open, please go ahead.

Tobey Jeffery-Greer: Hi, men.

Josh Berman: Hello there.

Craig Zadan: Hello.

Tobey Jeffery-Greer: Hello.

Tyler Jacob Moore: Who are you talking to?

Tobey Jeffery-Greer: I thought a bunch of men but maybe I’m wrong, I don’t know. Between the barking dog and the conference call, I feel like I’m talking to my family at Thanksgiving. Everybody just gets on the phone and talks over everybody else.

I did a bit of research myself and the FDA started screening in the 1980s and up until now, there’s been no documented cases of HIV on record. And even with that they made this policy in 2005 and I wanted to know in everybody’s opinion is that a case of discrimination or just plain ignorance.

Craig Zadan: Well I would say discrimination is ignorance. So...

Tobey Jeffery-Greer: Oh, nice.

Josh Berman: They go hand in hand for me.

Tyler Jacob Moore: Yes, I think that absence - you know, ignorance is no excuse in general in life and so I think that also applies to these - to this specific law definitely. And I do - but honestly, I mean, it’s hard to think that it’s just ignorance when you look at, you know, all the evidence. And if you go on online there’s multiple articles about this and the specifics of HIV testing and how current it is and how, you know, today once you get infected, within 12 days there’s a test - they can test you pretty accurately for HIV.

And so, you know, the fact that they’re denying it to men who’ve had sex with men for five years, you know, back. There’s not a lot of hard, good science to support that. So, as much as it could be ignorance I think that there’s enough smart people at the FDA and people that know the current science and still for some reason passed this in 2005. So, it is hard just to kind of swallow that and take that and not think that there’s some sort of agenda or something going on.

Craig Zadan: Well, I mean, also, you know, I think with discrimination like this we always take, you know, maybe a step forward and then we take a step backwards or many steps backwards. You know, not to get political, I don’t want to get political but, for instance, this week with Paul Ryan becoming the vice presidential candidate, he said that if they take office that he wants to repeal Don’t Ask Don’t Tell.

Tobey Jeffery-Greer: Right.

Craig Zadan: He wants to, you know, put it back into operation the way it was before Obama repealed it in the opposite direction. So - I didn’t mean repeal, I mean reinstate. So, can you imagine after all that everybody’s been through with this law getting repealed to reinstate Don’t Ask Don’t Tell. It’s going to cause the chaos and the madness that would cause in the military by doing that, and yet that’s what he’s saying he’s going to do. So, when you ask a question about something like this, there’s so much prejudice and ignorance involved, you can’t really follow what makes somebody do something like this.

Tobey Jeffery-Greer: Okay. And a policy like this, does this just further stigmatize gay men and perpetuate a stereotype?

Josh Berman: Yes, I believe this - what it does is it codifies prejudice and...

Tobey Jeffery-Greer: Okay.

Josh Berman: ...that’s what’s so scary about having discriminatory laws on our books, because we look to our government to pass laws that are fair and just and when...

Tobey Jeffery-Greer: Right.

Josh Berman: ...you come across, you know, Title 21 of the FDA Regulations and it really just puts homophobia onto the books. It’s dangerous for our future.

Tobey Jeffery-Greer: Okay. Cool.

Tyler Jacob Moore: Yes, and I just want to say I think that there’s been laws in the past. I mean, every time we get new information and as we go along, I think it’s the responsibility and it’s the responsibility of the government, FDA, all government entities to update their laws and their books. And I think that laws like these and things like this happen because maybe initially - I mean, you know, we’re not - nobody’s going to deny that yes, statistically HIV is, you know, like, 60 times higher probability in men who’ve had sex with men.

But now, the testing is such that there’s no need to have that, it’s just hurtful, the law. It serves no purpose other than just another dig at somebody who’s trying to live their lives and, you know, trying to have life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness but then, you know, laws like this kind of come in. And there’s lots of them, they just kind of dig at the homosexual community and it’s just unnecessary. So, yes.

Tobey Jeffery-Greer: Okay. Well thank you very much.

Josh Berman: That was so well said. Thank you. Nothing, sorry.

Tobey Jeffery-Greer: Did I cut you off?

Josh Berman: No, no, I was just complimenting Tyler. I just loved the way he put that.

Tobey Jeffery-Greer: Yes. Okay, well thanks very much.

Operator: Thank you. And once again, ladies and gentlemen to register for a question, please press the 1 follow by the 4 on your telephone.

Our next question comes from the line of Melissa Chapman from Lifetime Moms. Your line is open, please go ahead.

Melissa Chapman: Hi, everyone. Thank you so much for taking this call. I just wanted to know do you that one of the reasons why there - this law even exist is because there’s like this inherent homophobia that being gay is, like, transmitted in the genes. That even if there was no talk of HIV, that they’d find another way to, like, not allow gay men to donate sperm.

Josh Berman: First, I want to say I love Lifetime Moms, so thank you for being on this call.

Melissa Chapman: Oh, thank you. We love you. We love this show.

Josh Berman: You guys have been awesome supporters of Drop Dead Diva from the beginning, so thank you. That being said, you know, it’s funny, I’ve heard that said before. Oh, we don’t want gay people to be donors because then they could be passing on the gay gene.

Melissa Chapman: Right.

Josh Berman: But if you think about that logically, it makes absolutely no sense because for most of history gay men who are open, certainly, have not reproduces. So how would you explain a consistent number of gay men through time, since they’re not reproducing in general?

Melissa Chapman: Right.

Josh Berman: So I think that it’s a great question but I almost feel like the answer’s in the question.

Melissa Chapman: I mean, what do you - you know, for, like, the Midwest mom that’s watching this with her kids, you know, because, you know, so much of our audience is, like, you know, moms living in the Midwest. Like, what do you want them to take away from this episode? The moms that don’t, you know, that maybe, like, maybe they have kids that want to, you know, that are going to be inseminated, you know what I mean. What do you want them to take away, the moms that have young kids, moms that have older kids?

In fact, one of our moms on the - on our website has this whole series of articles about how her daughter came out to her and everything and it’s been so well received. So I think, like, you know, there’s - I love that there’s a dialogue happening. So what do you hope people will take away from it - the women that watch the show?

Josh Berman: For me, I hope the women - the moms - take away that they should love their children and support their children through whatever obstacles they face. And to know that who a child is, is not a reflection necessarily on how they were raised. Well, let me take that back. We all want the best for our children and if you could accept your child for who they are, you’re giving your child the best chance.

Melissa Chapman: Oh, I love that.

Craig Zadan: Also, you know, when I was watching the episode myself when it was done, I thought that - with Josh’s writing and Tyler’s performance of this character - I thought to myself, is there anybody that’s going to watch this that’s going to object and fell that this is wrong, because, you know, the point that’s being made is so clear and so humanistic that you care about Tyler so much - say Tyler, I mean Tyler’s character. But, again, it’s the writing and the acting is so strong that it humanizes the story so that I think anybody can watch this episode and understand why the law is ridiculous.

Tyler Jacob Moore: Yes, I think that just - I mean, just from the actor perspective and what people should get out of it, I think is that - is the absurdity of it. And I think that moms watching - because typically - I mean, I’m from a, you know, conservative Midwest upbringing and area and I know plenty of people that have a lot of stereotypes and a lot of just fear of the unknown as far as the homosexual community.

But, it - you know, for whatever reason, they’re not around it. They don’t have any gay friends, they don’t know anybody and the people that they do know - the family that they do know, you know, they kind of move off to a city and are never seen from or heard from again and they don’t, you know, they don’t communicate. And I think...

Melissa Chapman: Right.

Tyler Jacob Moore: ...for the moms in, you know, the Midwest and in other areas that are, you know, the - whatever you want to say - the stereotypical American family. I think...

Melissa Chapman: Right.

Tyler Jacob Moore: The key that - or what I would I’d like to see them get out of it is that, you know, this - that we still have these laws on the books. They’re still - even as of, you know, as recently as 2005 lawmakers and policy makers are still making laws and doing things that don’t make a lot of sense and don’t have a lot of scientific backing, but are these quiet - just quiet digs at the homosexual community. And whatever you want to say, whatever your thoughts or personal preferences are about people’s sexual preference and what people do in their bedrooms, I don’t think it’s anybody’s business to be passing laws to affect them in that way.

And so - and think that that - if they could take away that and just the idea that, you know, whether or not you approve of homosexuality in general or whatever, you know, your personal stance is or religious stance. I think you can take away that laws and the lawmakers need to be above that and need to kind of stay of the way. And I think that this could - hopefully they’ll see the absurdity of this law and see that. And maybe - who knows, maybe write their congressman or maybe, you know, write their local leadership and say hey, you know, I’m a whatever and I disapprove of this, what can we do about it.

Melissa Chapman: Right. Just one more question about just the whole life after death. Like, where did that, like, -- have any of you had that experience. Like, what - have you ever - that’s just something that I love about this show is that, you know, that the idea that a soul lives on. Like, where would - where did that come from? Like (unintelligible) death?

Josh Berman: Sure. Well, the concede of the show, you know, a skinny supermodel in an overweight body, the notion of that...

Melissa Chapman: I know, it’s like every - it’s every girl’s dream, by the way, to have that happen.

Josh Berman: Well, you know, to me I love sinking my teeth into issues of identity, which permeate, I think, every episode of the show.

Melissa Chapman: Yes.

Josh Berman: But more importantly, the most influential person in my life growing up was my grandmother who was an overweight, you know, an overweight Holocaust survivor who was 4 foot 11. And I wanted to write a show as a tribute to her and her name was Deb and that’s why I named the characters Deb, was after my grandmother. But I certainly couldn’t go to the networks and say I want to write a show about a chubby Jewish short grandmother.

So I thought, well how can I take her spirit and infuse it into something, because she did carry herself like a supermodel. She made me believe I could do anything I wanted to do and when she walked I a room people noticed, even though she wasn’t a model. So basically, what I did is I took her, you know, and I create the character of Jane with the essence of Deb and Deb being my grandmother.

Melissa Chapman: Ah, that’s beautiful.

Josh Berman: Ah, thank you. In fact, at the end of every show my logo for the company is a photo of my grandparents at their wedding and then again at their 45th wedding anniversary. You’ll see that after every episode of Drop Dead Diva.

Melissa Chapman: Oh, my...

Craig Zadan: I (unintelligible) because was, like, the sweetest thing I’ve ever heard.

Melissa Chapman: Thank you so much.

Operator: Thank you. And our next question is a follow up question from the line of Tobey Jeffery-Greer from The Voice of TV. Your line is open, please go ahead.

Tobey Jeffery-Greer: I don’t even want to ask questions anymore that was the sweetest thing I’ve ever heard.

Tyler Jacob Moore: My gosh.

Tobey Jeffery-Greer: Thanks dude. Actually, my real name is Deb too. So...

Josh Berman: Ah, there you go.

Tobey Jeffery-Greer: Toby’s just a nickname. Just a minute ago one of you said something about, you know, government not being in the bedrooms of the country. And I’m Canadian, as well and our former Prime Minister, Pierre Elliott Trudeau, at one point when discussing gay rights said the state has no business in the bedrooms of the nation and he was a great man.

But, there is a point, the Canadian Blood Services also has a ban on accepting blood from homosexual men and they just in the past three years lifted a ban on accepting bone marrow and stem cell transplants from homosexual men.

So there is hope. Eventually, it might come for you guys but I was wondering with private donors, like in the show, do you think that there should be a limit to how many donations a man can make to private citizens, because I’m thinking about that doctor in England who donated, like 1,000 to like 1,000 annoying women.

Josh Berman: Well, unknowing is the key question, right.

Tobey Jeffery-Greer: Yes.

Josh Berman: Like, you don’t want - I mean, that’s - you know, I think a woman should be able to consent to what she thinks is right for her and her body and her future.

Tobey Jeffery-Greer: Right.

Josh Berman: But she has to have full information.

Tobey Jeffery-Greer: Okay.

Josh Berman: So - and I think most women would not want to be impregnated with a risk of that child then having 1,000 half siblings out there...

Tobey Jeffery-Greer: Right.

Josh Berman: ...all of whom could be potential partners later in life. Like, that’s the scary part, right.

Tobey Jeffery-Greer: Okay.

Tyler Jacob Moore: Yes.

Tobey Jeffery-Greer: Okay. And the follow up question is - it’s just a question, don’t get mad at me - because it’s kind of a gross question. But, if someone is independently donating his sperm, which is, you know, completely fine with me, should he be registered with the - an agency so people are aware that he is donating sperm or just willy nilly. No pun intended.

Josh Berman: I mean, I’ll answer that question by saying if a man picks up a woman in a bar and has unprotected sex without a condom, should he be registered.

Tobey Jeffery-Greer: Well, (unintelligible), yes.

Josh Berman: And I don’t know if it’s - yes. So I guess to me that - if a man is getting genetic tests and specifically make sure that his - the woman is aware of every potential risk she can be up to and it’s consensual insemination versus a one night stand without a condom...

Tobey Jeffery-Greer: Right.

Josh Berman: ...I’d rather have the tested sperm than the one night stand with a stranger.

Tobey Jeffery-Greer: Right. Okay.

Tyler Jacob Moore: Yes. Well, yes - I just want to say that goes back to the absurdity of the law because typically, you know, especially, you know, lesbian couples who are looking for donors and have, you know, gay men friends who want - I mean, I know of a guy friend that they are doing this - a lesbian female and a gay man are, you know, having a child together and I think they have probably a more in depth process than any, you know, sperm donation clinic on the books. I mean, typically, if you’re going to do something like this, you make sure that whoever you choose is tested and goes through all - HIV testing and blood testing...

Tobey Jeffery-Greer: Right.

Tyler Jacob Moore: I mean, whatever you can. So I think...

Tobey Jeffery-Greer: Right.

Tyler Jacob Moore: ...that just points to the absurdity of the law in general because, you know, typically smart people are going to do their due diligence, especially procreation. So...

Tobey Jeffery-Greer: Right. Okay. Cool, thank you.


Devon Sanceda: Josh, Craig or Tyler is there anything you guys want to say before we disconnect?

Tyler Jacob Moore: No, it was a delight. You guys are great. I really - I’m really grateful that I got to work with such great material and I’m thankful and I’m looking forward to seeing it.

Josh Berman: Well Tyler, I enjoyed working with you so much that when this is over I want to talk to you about bringing you on to my new show, The Mob Doctor. So, hopefully we’ll...

Tyler Jacob Moore: That’d be great, yes.

Josh Berman: ...be getting to work together again.

Tyler Jacob Moore: Yes, yes, that would be great. It’s always nice to work with good people that are good at their jobs and you are clearly that. So, yes.

Josh Berman: I feel the same way about you. It’s been a fantastic experience and I’m excited for everyone to see you in the episode this Sunday.

Tyler Jacob Moore: Yes.

Craig Zadan: And we’re very grateful - we’re also very grateful for the support that, you know, the press and the media and the public have given this show and stood by...

Josh Berman: Yes.

Craig Zadan: ...and it’s been great. It’s been really, really great. The loyalty to the show has been amazing. And we hope that everybody watches this Sunday because this episode is of great importance to all of us.

Josh Berman: Thank you so much Craig, that was perfect.

Craig Zadan: Thank you.

Josh Berman: Bye guys. Thank you.

Tyler Jacob Moore: All right, bye. Thanks guys.

Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, that does conclude the conference call for today. We thank you for your participation and ask that you please disconnect your lines.

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